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Where is society putting girls down? The wage is not a result of putting women down, but of lifestyle choices. So might be representation in STEM subjects. Men

Where is society putting girls down? The wage is not a result of putting women down, but of lifestyle choices. So might be representation in STEM subjects. Men are more often usbject to violence than women, campus rape is a myth that stems from a long refuted decades old study. What problem exactly do women REALLY have?

pron 11y ago
I assume you're being sarcastic, but on the off chance you're not, I'll refer you to the last 50 years of research in social studies (and I'm not going to go through the "please cite one paper" game; I've done it too many times, the people "asking" for them are clearly not interested in the vast incontrovertible evidence, there are literally thousands of papers -- some by very renowned researchers -- and you can find most of them with a simple Google Scholar search). It's a myth just as much evolution is a myth. Both have been thoroughly studied and confirmed. Of course, there are people who deny facts because they don't agree with their world view -- that is also a well-known psychological phenomenon as is the phenomenon that that no amount of evidence can sway most people's opinions once they've made up their minds, so -- learn if you want, or don't.
- facepalm 11y ago
  Huh what? So you just say "undeniable" and that's it, not even a specific "accusation"? I could also point to countless papers. What about boys being left behind in education, men dying years earlier, more men being homeless and in shitty, dangerous jobs, men having less children and less time with their family and so on. What you say also goes for yourself. Your opinion won't be swayed, presumably because you feel safe and comfy in the feminist camp and don't want to risk losing your faith.
  - pron 11y ago
    > I could also point to countless papers. Nope (unless they are papers of the sort I found on a Christian website "proving" the creation of life contradicts the second law of thermodynamics). > What about boys being left behind in education, men dying ... What does that have to do with anything? The reality of heart disease doesn't take away from that of cancer. > Your opinion won't be swayed... Probably. Except my opinion is actually backed by science while yours is plain-and-simple science denial, just as there's no symmetry between people who know evolution to be true and those who deny it -- these are not two opinions, but truth and fantasy. Your personal beliefs won't make the reality of our sexist society disappear, just as they can't make the sun and the stars revolve around the earth (though in this case, I wish they could). In your case -- as in that of geocentrists -- the false belief stems from a very powerful subjective feeling that the scientific findings are wrong (the earth doesn't feel to be moving), but that doesn't make it any less false. Of course, you can go on and on as science denialists do ("but where is the evidence?", "why, it's right here", "but where?" etc.), but I'll leave you there.
    - facepalm 11y ago
      "What does that have to do with anything?" You'd expect women to be worse off than men if they are being suppressed. That's the relation. You know, stuff you can verify. Honestly, I think you are using the word "science" too loosely. You can't just go "because... science". That's exactly not science. Good bye.
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      - pron 11y ago
        > You'd expect women to be worse off than men if they are being suppressed. That's the relation. You know, stuff you can verify. Women are worse off in nearly every culture on earth (that, of course, doesn't mean that men don't suffer too). And don't worry, it's been verified over and over. You can, of course, look at the vast collected body of research, but you won't so you'll continue to deny reality with conviction kept strong by your gut feeling and anecdotes. The measure that concerns the feminist struggle in Western societies is called power. You can read about it, but you won't.
        facepalm 11y ago
        Let's stick to the Western world. I'd love to see Feminists travel to other parts of the world to help with REAL issues, though. I'd be curious how they measure power in your papers. But it's a common tactic of (western) feminism to pick arbitrary aspects which make women look bad seen out of context. For example why measure the wage gap, and not the family gap (time spent with loved ones), or the real income (which is usually split among married couples) and spending power? And also not measure income per hour worked and so on. Maybe you can find a measure of power in which women are worse off. So what? You can also define other measurements in which men are worse off, including "power to reproduce". And you have no idea what I did and didn't read about feminism. You are just living in your own little bubble.

pron 11y ago

I assume you're being sarcastic, but on the off chance you're not, I'll refer you to the last 50 years of research in social studies (and I'm not going to go through the "please cite one paper" game; I've done it too many times, the people "asking" for them are clearly not interested in the vast incontrovertible evidence, there are literally thousands of papers -- some by very renowned researchers -- and you can find most of them with a simple Google Scholar search). It's a myth just as much evolution is a myth. Both have been thoroughly studied and confirmed. Of course, there are people who deny facts because they don't agree with their world view -- that is also a well-known psychological phenomenon as is the phenomenon that that no amount of evidence can sway most people's opinions once they've made up their minds, so -- learn if you want, or don't.

facepalm 11y ago
Huh what? So you just say "undeniable" and that's it, not even a specific "accusation"? I could also point to countless papers. What about boys being left behind in education, men dying years earlier, more men being homeless and in shitty, dangerous jobs, men having less children and less time with their family and so on. What you say also goes for yourself. Your opinion won't be swayed, presumably because you feel safe and comfy in the feminist camp and don't want to risk losing your faith.
- pron 11y ago
  > I could also point to countless papers. Nope (unless they are papers of the sort I found on a Christian website "proving" the creation of life contradicts the second law of thermodynamics). > What about boys being left behind in education, men dying ... What does that have to do with anything? The reality of heart disease doesn't take away from that of cancer. > Your opinion won't be swayed... Probably. Except my opinion is actually backed by science while yours is plain-and-simple science denial, just as there's no symmetry between people who know evolution to be true and those who deny it -- these are not two opinions, but truth and fantasy. Your personal beliefs won't make the reality of our sexist society disappear, just as they can't make the sun and the stars revolve around the earth (though in this case, I wish they could). In your case -- as in that of geocentrists -- the false belief stems from a very powerful subjective feeling that the scientific findings are wrong (the earth doesn't feel to be moving), but that doesn't make it any less false. Of course, you can go on and on as science denialists do ("but where is the evidence?", "why, it's right here", "but where?" etc.), but I'll leave you there.
  - facepalm 11y ago
    "What does that have to do with anything?" You'd expect women to be worse off than men if they are being suppressed. That's the relation. You know, stuff you can verify. Honestly, I think you are using the word "science" too loosely. You can't just go "because... science". That's exactly not science. Good bye.
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    - pron 11y ago
      > You'd expect women to be worse off than men if they are being suppressed. That's the relation. You know, stuff you can verify. Women are worse off in nearly every culture on earth (that, of course, doesn't mean that men don't suffer too). And don't worry, it's been verified over and over. You can, of course, look at the vast collected body of research, but you won't so you'll continue to deny reality with conviction kept strong by your gut feeling and anecdotes. The measure that concerns the feminist struggle in Western societies is called power. You can read about it, but you won't.
      - facepalm 11y ago
        Let's stick to the Western world. I'd love to see Feminists travel to other parts of the world to help with REAL issues, though. I'd be curious how they measure power in your papers. But it's a common tactic of (western) feminism to pick arbitrary aspects which make women look bad seen out of context. For example why measure the wage gap, and not the family gap (time spent with loved ones), or the real income (which is usually split among married couples) and spending power? And also not measure income per hour worked and so on. Maybe you can find a measure of power in which women are worse off. So what? You can also define other measurements in which men are worse off, including "power to reproduce". And you have no idea what I did and didn't read about feminism. You are just living in your own little bubble.