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"the downside for [boys] is they are often the victim of trumped up "rape" charges" I do not know a single person that is the victim of trumped rape charges bu

by cyphunk 11y ago

"the downside for [boys] is they are often the victim of trumped up "rape" charges" I do not know a single person that is the victim of trumped rape charges but do know several girls who were victims of actual rape (and many more of sexual abuse). If fake rape charges is a downside for boys then it's not an actual downside, it's a trumped up downside.

cloakandswagger 11y ago
Psh, what's a little false rape allegation? Man up!
- cyphunk 11y ago
  False rape allegations are a crime. But it would be better to say that the downside of being is male is that it appears they are more inclined to rape people. Because I guarantee if you if it were not for that little fact the allegation problem probably wouldn't exist.
  - msandford 11y ago
    > But it would be better to say that the downside of being is male is that it appears they are more inclined to rape people. That's long been held to be obviously true. But a recent study shows that it may not be correct. http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2014/04/male_rape_in_america_a_new_study_reveals_that_men_are_sexually_assaulted.html http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2014/04/male_...
    - cyphunk 11y ago
      the article is good read and I agree males are also victims. But the statistics on those perpetrating the crime (sexual assault or rape) are overwhelmingly male.
      - Retric 11y ago
        In the US males are both more likely to be the victim and more likely to be the perpetrator. In large part due to Prison but also younger victoms. Note: It's really hard to collect good population statistics, as victims often don't report things. And non-victims sometimes do.
  - Karunamon 11y ago
    Statistically, yes. But stating that statistic is like stating the (also true) statistic that "black people commit statistically more violent crime" - it's worthless on its own, and is often a political dog whistle.
woodman 11y ago
> I do not know a single person ... That says more about you than anything else. I know two guys who were accused of rape, separate incidents, in both cases the guy had an air tight alibi - one was out of town and the other was at church. The churchgoing fellow didn't even know the woman, the only point of overlap for the accuser and the accused was the fact that they went to the same high school ten years prior. > If fake rape charges is a downside for boys ... You have no idea, by your own admission, how incredibly destructive the event can be.
- cyphunk 11y ago
  Regardless of if I do or do not understand how destructive being on the wrong end of a false rape charge is, generalizing this as a downside for males is utterly offensive.
  - woodman 11y ago
    > ...generalizing this as a downside for males... Where does the logic not follow? False rape accusations disproportionately affect men, and it is a negative experience. So it isn't a generalization, it is a statement of fact. > ...is utterly offensive. That sounds like a personal problem, don't worry - men won't be included in any kind of protected class over this.
    - cyphunk 11y ago
      The comment I responded to used false rape charges as a single example of disadvantages challenging men. Perhaps I misunderstood the authors intention but that statement left alone presents an idea that of all the challenges facing men this one is one of the most important to mention. This is offensive to me as a male. It was also said in comparison to challenges facing women. This is offensive to me as a human. And I appear to not represent the majority opinion here so you are right, at least on HN, this is a personal problem.
      - woodman 11y ago
        The problem isn't an issue of deviant opinion, I'm sure many feel as you do, the issue is the distance between the original statement and the emotion driven conclusion you've leapt to. It looks like nobody else has interpreted it the way you have, or at least hasn't felt as strong a sense of righteous indignation. I'd probably reflect on the 'offense as a human' bit as well, leave yourself some spectrum of offense as a buffer - or else you'll be left unable to describe your emotions for the real offenses to humanity. Like how one time I saw a pack of feral dogs tear a human corpse apart after it had been left on the street for a few days, that was offensive to me as a human. Luckily for me I had reserved that category of offense, otherwise my brain might have popped out like a jack in the box upon having my prior threshold of inhumanity, a stale candy apple served to me at the county fair, surpassed.

by cyphunk 11y ago

cloakandswagger 11y ago

Psh, what's a little false rape allegation? Man up!

cyphunk 11y ago
False rape allegations are a crime. But it would be better to say that the downside of being is male is that it appears they are more inclined to rape people. Because I guarantee if you if it were not for that little fact the allegation problem probably wouldn't exist.
- msandford 11y ago
  > But it would be better to say that the downside of being is male is that it appears they are more inclined to rape people. That's long been held to be obviously true. But a recent study shows that it may not be correct. http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2014/04/male_rape_in_america_a_new_study_reveals_that_men_are_sexually_assaulted.html http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2014/04/male_...
  - cyphunk 11y ago
    the article is good read and I agree males are also victims. But the statistics on those perpetrating the crime (sexual assault or rape) are overwhelmingly male.
    - Retric 11y ago
      In the US males are both more likely to be the victim and more likely to be the perpetrator. In large part due to Prison but also younger victoms. Note: It's really hard to collect good population statistics, as victims often don't report things. And non-victims sometimes do.
- Karunamon 11y ago
  Statistically, yes. But stating that statistic is like stating the (also true) statistic that "black people commit statistically more violent crime" - it's worthless on its own, and is often a political dog whistle.

woodman 11y ago

> I do not know a single person ... That says more about you than anything else. I know two guys who were accused of rape, separate incidents, in both cases the guy had an air tight alibi - one was out of town and the other was at church. The churchgoing fellow didn't even know the woman, the only point of overlap for the accuser and the accused was the fact that they went to the same high school ten years prior. > If fake rape charges is a downside for boys ... You have no idea, by your own admission, how incredibly destructive the event can be.

cyphunk 11y ago
Regardless of if I do or do not understand how destructive being on the wrong end of a false rape charge is, generalizing this as a downside for males is utterly offensive.
- woodman 11y ago
  > ...generalizing this as a downside for males... Where does the logic not follow? False rape accusations disproportionately affect men, and it is a negative experience. So it isn't a generalization, it is a statement of fact. > ...is utterly offensive. That sounds like a personal problem, don't worry - men won't be included in any kind of protected class over this.
  - cyphunk 11y ago
    The comment I responded to used false rape charges as a single example of disadvantages challenging men. Perhaps I misunderstood the authors intention but that statement left alone presents an idea that of all the challenges facing men this one is one of the most important to mention. This is offensive to me as a male. It was also said in comparison to challenges facing women. This is offensive to me as a human. And I appear to not represent the majority opinion here so you are right, at least on HN, this is a personal problem.
    - woodman 11y ago
      The problem isn't an issue of deviant opinion, I'm sure many feel as you do, the issue is the distance between the original statement and the emotion driven conclusion you've leapt to. It looks like nobody else has interpreted it the way you have, or at least hasn't felt as strong a sense of righteous indignation. I'd probably reflect on the 'offense as a human' bit as well, leave yourself some spectrum of offense as a buffer - or else you'll be left unable to describe your emotions for the real offenses to humanity. Like how one time I saw a pack of feral dogs tear a human corpse apart after it had been left on the street for a few days, that was offensive to me as a human. Luckily for me I had reserved that category of offense, otherwise my brain might have popped out like a jack in the box upon having my prior threshold of inhumanity, a stale candy apple served to me at the county fair, surpassed.