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Eich leaving Mozilla was absolutely not voluntary and I wish people would stop saying it was. He "voluntarily" resigned in response to coercive threats against

by hoopd 11y ago

Eich leaving Mozilla was absolutely not voluntary and I wish people would stop saying it was. He "voluntarily" resigned in response to coercive threats against the company he founded and spent 15 years building.

geofft 11y ago
I'm taking this from Mozilla's blog post, which goes to lengths to portray it as voluntary (in addition to saying it outright at the top): https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2014/04/05/faq-on-ceo-resignation/ https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2014/04/05/faq-on-ceo-resignat... Since he left ten days after being promoted to CEO, and since the donations were known about in advance, I would argue that he should have known he would have been a compromised leader of Mozilla and if he valued his job, could have stayed CTO as he had been for 15 years. (And if he didn't expect his own employees to write public blog posts calling for his dismissal, then that alone makes him an incompetent and out-of-touch CEO. Whether or not his dismissal was voluntary, if that's the case, he was not qualified for the job.)
- hoopd 11y ago
  Nothing coerced is voluntary, they're mutually exclusive concepts. Mozilla did not fire him nor was Mozilla the group that forced him to leave, that does not mean he wasn't forced to leave. As far as whether or not he was capable of running an inclusive company, he once founded what is known to be an inclusive company and was an executive there for 15 years without, to my knowledge, any complaints about how he performed his duties outside of contributing his personal money to a political campaign. Particularly telling is this part of the FAQ: > Q: Was Brendan Eich forced out by employee pressure? A: No. That less than 10 employees got him removed is outrageous. The people that worked with him knew best whether or not he treated people fairly and the fact that so few of them wanted him to leave tells me the whole thing was a disgrace.
- return0 11y ago
  Of course they would go to great lengths to make it seem voluntary. Otherwise he has grounds for legal action.

by hoopd 11y ago

geofft 11y ago

I'm taking this from Mozilla's blog post, which goes to lengths to portray it as voluntary (in addition to saying it outright at the top): https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2014/04/05/faq-on-ceo-resignation/ https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2014/04/05/faq-on-ceo-resignat... Since he left ten days after being promoted to CEO, and since the donations were known about in advance, I would argue that he should have known he would have been a compromised leader of Mozilla and if he valued his job, could have stayed CTO as he had been for 15 years. (And if he didn't expect his own employees to write public blog posts calling for his dismissal, then that alone makes him an incompetent and out-of-touch CEO. Whether or not his dismissal was voluntary, if that's the case, he was not qualified for the job.)

hoopd 11y ago
Nothing coerced is voluntary, they're mutually exclusive concepts. Mozilla did not fire him nor was Mozilla the group that forced him to leave, that does not mean he wasn't forced to leave. As far as whether or not he was capable of running an inclusive company, he once founded what is known to be an inclusive company and was an executive there for 15 years without, to my knowledge, any complaints about how he performed his duties outside of contributing his personal money to a political campaign. Particularly telling is this part of the FAQ: > Q: Was Brendan Eich forced out by employee pressure? A: No. That less than 10 employees got him removed is outrageous. The people that worked with him knew best whether or not he treated people fairly and the fact that so few of them wanted him to leave tells me the whole thing was a disgrace.
return0 11y ago
Of course they would go to great lengths to make it seem voluntary. Otherwise he has grounds for legal action.