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...historical or cultural bias. What you describe is not bias, it's some groups being actually less qualified. Further, you don't even get the incentives righ

...historical or cultural bias. What you describe is not bias, it's some groups being actually less qualified. Further, you don't even get the incentives right. If the message sent is "we let anyone qualified in without even looking at who you are", that provides incentives for anyone to acquire education. If people have an impression that they can't get accepted because of their race, they tend to avoid even trying, Given that Asians can't get accepted because of their race, yet keep trying, that doesn't appear to be true. If your theory is true, at what point do you expect Asians to avoid even trying? When that point occurs and Asians don't avoid trying, will you change your views?

Retra 11y ago
>What you describe is not bias, it's some groups being actually less qualified. They are less qualified due to historical and cultural bias, not due to their race or gender. As to the rest of your post: I disagree. Maybe it's time for you to bring out some reliable studies, because I am really not going to take your word for it.
- yummyfajitas 11y ago
  What, specifically, do you disagree with or want a study for? The claim that race-blind procedures generate identical incentives for identical black/asian students? That's not a study, it's a 2 line proof that could go on any econ 101 midterm. If outcome(x.copy(race=asian))=outcome(x.copy(race=black)) for all x, then U(outcome(x.copy(race=asian)))=U(outcome(x.copy(race=black))) for any utility function U, thus marginal utilities (i.e. incentives) must also be identical. Similarly, I'd be unable to come up with a study proving that d/dx x^2 = 2x. I guess you'd disagree with that claim too?
  - Retra 11y ago
    First, drop the bad attitude. I already know calculus, so obviously I won't disagree with what I already know. But this: > If the message sent is "we let anyone qualified in without even looking at who you are", that provides incentives for anyone to acquire education. and this: > Given that Asians can't get accepted because of their race, yet keep trying I don't know to be true. So yeah, you'd need to prove them to me before I agree to them.
    - yummyfajitas 11y ago
      I gave you the proof of the former in the message you just replied to. It's not a citation, it's merely two lines of econ 101 math. I'm not going to bother googling for the latter, since I'm sure that will be ignored as well.
      - Retra 11y ago
        Your equation doesn't actually capture human behavior, you know.
        yummyfajitas 11y ago
        We aren't talking behavior, we are talking incentive. If you want to argue that different races behave differently in response to the same incentives, be my guest.

Retra 11y ago

>What you describe is not bias, it's some groups being actually less qualified. They are less qualified due to historical and cultural bias, not due to their race or gender. As to the rest of your post: I disagree. Maybe it's time for you to bring out some reliable studies, because I am really not going to take your word for it.

yummyfajitas 11y ago
What, specifically, do you disagree with or want a study for? The claim that race-blind procedures generate identical incentives for identical black/asian students? That's not a study, it's a 2 line proof that could go on any econ 101 midterm. If outcome(x.copy(race=asian))=outcome(x.copy(race=black)) for all x, then U(outcome(x.copy(race=asian)))=U(outcome(x.copy(race=black))) for any utility function U, thus marginal utilities (i.e. incentives) must also be identical. Similarly, I'd be unable to come up with a study proving that d/dx x^2 = 2x. I guess you'd disagree with that claim too?
- Retra 11y ago
  First, drop the bad attitude. I already know calculus, so obviously I won't disagree with what I already know. But this: > If the message sent is "we let anyone qualified in without even looking at who you are", that provides incentives for anyone to acquire education. and this: > Given that Asians can't get accepted because of their race, yet keep trying I don't know to be true. So yeah, you'd need to prove them to me before I agree to them.
  - yummyfajitas 11y ago
    I gave you the proof of the former in the message you just replied to. It's not a citation, it's merely two lines of econ 101 math. I'm not going to bother googling for the latter, since I'm sure that will be ignored as well.
    - Retra 11y ago
      Your equation doesn't actually capture human behavior, you know.
      - yummyfajitas 11y ago
        We aren't talking behavior, we are talking incentive. If you want to argue that different races behave differently in response to the same incentives, be my guest.