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> nearly everyone (or at least the most vocal crowd) seems to either love it or hate it "At least the most vocal crowd". Which means that most people DO NOT CA

by xroche 11y ago

> nearly everyone (or at least the most vocal crowd) seems to either love it or hate it "At least the most vocal crowd". Which means that most people DO NOT CARE, and the systemd war is beyond ridiculous. As Linus said, > "I don't actually have any particularly strong opinions on systemd itself."

jfindley 11y ago
The systemd war is probably the best thing that could have happened to ensure widespread adoption of systemd. It allowed the supporters to lump anyone with any concerns or objections in with the frothing-at-the-mouth haters, and completely ignore them. I don't hate systemd. I like what it's trying to do, and I don't hate the big-picture implementation either. But I, and many others, have a bunch of concerns around some specific details of the system, that got ignored and swept under the rug in the tide of vitriol between the two sides of the "war". If the discussion had been more civil, maybe the more rational objections might have got heard, and we might have been able to pressure Lennart and Kay into not rolling their own, un-reviewed, crypto for journald[0]. We might have been able to avoid some of the feature-creep[1] that seems to have grown out of a NIH-mentality, and a better relationship with the community might have made the core developers more willing to play nicely with others[2][3]. 0: http://lwn.net/Articles/512895/ http://lwn.net/Articles/512895/ 1: http://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd-resolved.service.html http://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd-reso... 2: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=76935 https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=76935 3: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1116651 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1116651
- EmanueleAina 11y ago
  Why is resolved feature-creep? It's rather nice to have working name resolution out of the box when coupling it with networkd and firing up a container. I mean, it's not my standard usecase in this moment of my life, but I see how it can be useful. (Also, your last link reports that "This bug is for livecd-tools which has been fixed", I don't know what's the point you're trying to make.)

by xroche 11y ago

jfindley 11y ago

The systemd war is probably the best thing that could have happened to ensure widespread adoption of systemd. It allowed the supporters to lump anyone with any concerns or objections in with the frothing-at-the-mouth haters, and completely ignore them. I don't hate systemd. I like what it's trying to do, and I don't hate the big-picture implementation either. But I, and many others, have a bunch of concerns around some specific details of the system, that got ignored and swept under the rug in the tide of vitriol between the two sides of the "war". If the discussion had been more civil, maybe the more rational objections might have got heard, and we might have been able to pressure Lennart and Kay into not rolling their own, un-reviewed, crypto for journald[0]. We might have been able to avoid some of the feature-creep[1] that seems to have grown out of a NIH-mentality, and a better relationship with the community might have made the core developers more willing to play nicely with others[2][3]. 0: http://lwn.net/Articles/512895/ http://lwn.net/Articles/512895/ 1: http://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd-resolved.service.html http://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd-reso... 2: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=76935 https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=76935 3: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1116651 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1116651

EmanueleAina 11y ago
Why is resolved feature-creep? It's rather nice to have working name resolution out of the box when coupling it with networkd and firing up a container. I mean, it's not my standard usecase in this moment of my life, but I see how it can be useful. (Also, your last link reports that "This bug is for livecd-tools which has been fixed", I don't know what's the point you're trying to make.)