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Which distros? Slackware is the only near-mainstream Linux distro I know of that is even possibly not moving immediately to systemd, and even then, the Slackwar

Which distros? Slackware is the only near-mainstream Linux distro I know of that is even possibly not moving immediately to systemd, and even then, the Slackware folks have said that once it becomes too difficult to maintain upstream packages, they'll switch too. They're just being pragmatic about it.

vacri 11y ago
I thought there were others in addition to Slackware, but that pretty much all the distros are jumping ship shows the naysayers don't have enough political oomph.
- digi_owl 11y ago
  Those that has adopted systemd are either precursors for commercial distros, said commercial distros, or based of same. The really early adopters seems to have been offshots of Fedora. And i do wonder if Debian was a holdout until systemd started sprouting containerization features, and Canonical (Ubuntu) was feeling the heat.
cubancigar11 11y ago
Gentoo by default prefers OpenRC over systemd, though you can chose which one you want while installing.
- digi_owl 11y ago
  And gentoo had to jump through hoops (to the point of forking udev) to be able to continue to do so. The whole systemd vs sysv back and forth is a smokescreen, because while sysv stops at init systemd continues on to cron, networking, sessions, dhcp, dns, /dev, and soon to be ttys etc. And while the kernel is maintained under the rule that change do not break user space, systemd developers seem to do changes with a permanent "deal with it" meme.
curlypaul924 11y ago
http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page#GNU.2FLinux_distributions http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page#GNU.2FLi...
yellowapple 11y ago
It's worth noting that "too difficult" is a very high bar for a distro that to this day has yet to implement things like PAM; if you want an authentication system more advanced than /etc/{password,shadow}, you'll need to compile PAM from source and install it manually (there might be a Slackbuild for it nowadays; I don't really remember).

vacri 11y ago

I thought there were others in addition to Slackware, but that pretty much all the distros are jumping ship shows the naysayers don't have enough political oomph.

digi_owl 11y ago
Those that has adopted systemd are either precursors for commercial distros, said commercial distros, or based of same. The really early adopters seems to have been offshots of Fedora. And i do wonder if Debian was a holdout until systemd started sprouting containerization features, and Canonical (Ubuntu) was feeling the heat.

cubancigar11 11y ago

Gentoo by default prefers OpenRC over systemd, though you can chose which one you want while installing.

digi_owl 11y ago
And gentoo had to jump through hoops (to the point of forking udev) to be able to continue to do so. The whole systemd vs sysv back and forth is a smokescreen, because while sysv stops at init systemd continues on to cron, networking, sessions, dhcp, dns, /dev, and soon to be ttys etc. And while the kernel is maintained under the rule that change do not break user space, systemd developers seem to do changes with a permanent "deal with it" meme.

curlypaul924 11y ago

http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page#GNU.2FLinux_distributions http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page#GNU.2FLi...

yellowapple 11y ago

It's worth noting that "too difficult" is a very high bar for a distro that to this day has yet to implement things like PAM; if you want an authentication system more advanced than /etc/{password,shadow}, you'll need to compile PAM from source and install it manually (there might be a Slackbuild for it nowadays; I don't really remember).