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Now if they'd only come up with some device to make sure cyclists stop at stop signs and red lights.

analog31 11y ago
While I'm personally in favor of the Idaho Stop, the traffic laws are definitely enforced on cyclists in my locale. As I understand it, the police follow the same "logic" for bikes and cars, regarding where and when to direct actual enforcement efforts.
dodders 11y ago
Now if only they'd come up with a device to make sure drivers stop at stop signs. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GneVKDI_bEc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GneVKDI_bEc
- sosuke 11y ago
  Well red light cameras can capture license plates, so all we need to achieve parity is legally require front and back license plates on bicycles. Seems reasonable, eventually inspection stickers too. Want to make sure brakes work, has working lights. More like motorcycle requirements perhaps? Edit: just to frame, I did not watch the youtube video you linked to, I was just brainstorming out loud and I don't think anyone should run red lights
  - mindslight 11y ago
    Because adding surveillance placards to one of the few remaining untracked modes of transportation is a fantastic idea. This "make cyclists stop" red herring persists because some drivers have developed stockholm syndrome with the large quantity of unnecessary traffic control devices that have been deployed by committee (most stop signs could be yields, most red arrows could not exist, and at least a third of stop lights could be simply eliminated). Cyclists are much more in touch with the life and death reality of public roads, because even when following all traffic laws they can easily be killed. Competent cyclists treat red lights and stop signs as yields because there is no downside for anyone - just like drivers who do rolling stops. And yes, incompetent cyclists exist just like incompetent drivers exist - if you want to defend yourself from being wrongly blamed for an accident with a self-endangering moron in any vehicle, get a dashcam.
    - brianstorms 11y ago
      I just call it as I see it. And in every American city I have been in in the past ten years, I would say a good 95% of cyclists who come to a stop-sign intersection just run right through the stop sign never slowing down, regardless of whether there are cars at the intersection or not. Don't take my word for it, go out and watch. Go to any intersection in any city. Wait for a cyclist. Bingo. Next cyclist. Bingo. Try it. Basically almost all cyclists run stop signs. There is no red herring. It's the culture.
Zigurd 11y ago
When bicyclists kill as many pedestrians as cars, that might be needed.

While I'm personally in favor of the Idaho Stop, the traffic laws are definitely enforced on cyclists in my locale. As I understand it, the police follow the same "logic" for bikes and cars, regarding where and when to direct actual enforcement efforts.

dodders 11y ago

Now if only they'd come up with a device to make sure drivers stop at stop signs. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GneVKDI_bEc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GneVKDI_bEc

sosuke 11y ago
Well red light cameras can capture license plates, so all we need to achieve parity is legally require front and back license plates on bicycles. Seems reasonable, eventually inspection stickers too. Want to make sure brakes work, has working lights. More like motorcycle requirements perhaps? Edit: just to frame, I did not watch the youtube video you linked to, I was just brainstorming out loud and I don't think anyone should run red lights
- mindslight 11y ago
  Because adding surveillance placards to one of the few remaining untracked modes of transportation is a fantastic idea. This "make cyclists stop" red herring persists because some drivers have developed stockholm syndrome with the large quantity of unnecessary traffic control devices that have been deployed by committee (most stop signs could be yields, most red arrows could not exist, and at least a third of stop lights could be simply eliminated). Cyclists are much more in touch with the life and death reality of public roads, because even when following all traffic laws they can easily be killed. Competent cyclists treat red lights and stop signs as yields because there is no downside for anyone - just like drivers who do rolling stops. And yes, incompetent cyclists exist just like incompetent drivers exist - if you want to defend yourself from being wrongly blamed for an accident with a self-endangering moron in any vehicle, get a dashcam.
  - brianstorms 11y ago
    I just call it as I see it. And in every American city I have been in in the past ten years, I would say a good 95% of cyclists who come to a stop-sign intersection just run right through the stop sign never slowing down, regardless of whether there are cars at the intersection or not. Don't take my word for it, go out and watch. Go to any intersection in any city. Wait for a cyclist. Bingo. Next cyclist. Bingo. Try it. Basically almost all cyclists run stop signs. There is no red herring. It's the culture.

Zigurd 11y ago

When bicyclists kill as many pedestrians as cars, that might be needed.