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Are you conflating downvotes and censorship?

cactusface 11y ago
Locked threads, deleted threads, comments from pg requesting that particular people stop arguing, a flagging system where some people's flags have greater weight, hellbanned accounts where the person doesn't even know they've been banned (there's some poor schizophrenic guy who made an operating system called LoseThos that posts occasionally), badly editorialized submission titles. But, that's what moderation looks like, generally. Every social structure is moderated in some form.
- DanBC 11y ago
  Terry Davies knows he's hellbanned. Some people know they're hellbanned and post anyway.
  - cactusface 11y ago
    Well, ok then. Except... in that particular case schizophrenic people usually have a poor sense of reality, heck even words like "hellban" and "dead" may have religious connotations. Not really sure what a better solution is.
    - DanBC 11y ago
      Being temporarily banned from an online forum is probably pretty low on the list of shitty things that happen to people with a diagnosis of a severe and enduring mental illness.
    - kedean 11y ago
      You don't seem to know much about the Terry Davis situation. When a persons posts are 50% racist slurs, there isn't much choice but to block them from posting. The hellban lets that person still post and converse with people who actively seek him out, without the downsides of having tons of hate speech all over the front page of HN. It's been said before and it'll be said again, schizophrenia is not a catch-all excuse for someone in a public forum.
      - cactusface 11y ago
        I just feel bad for the guy. Originally, I was just pointing out it was a kind of censorship greater than downvoting that has some unsavory aspects to it. Like I wrote above, it's not clear what a better solution would be, except perhaps if I was running things I would try just deleting his accounts. Oh, and you can't reply to his posts, but whatever.
        kedean 11y ago
        Deleting accounts will cause him to create new accounts. The positive of a hellban is that it lets the person still use their account to broadcast to those who explicitly want to hear it, so there's much less reason for the person to make a new one.
CodeWriter23 11y ago
When groupthink expresses itself as mass downvoting, and the site reduces the size of your font and/or lightens the color until it is invisible, is that not censorship? The mob can be wrong you know, when the mob relies on a bad source.

Locked threads, deleted threads, comments from pg requesting that particular people stop arguing, a flagging system where some people's flags have greater weight, hellbanned accounts where the person doesn't even know they've been banned (there's some poor schizophrenic guy who made an operating system called LoseThos that posts occasionally), badly editorialized submission titles. But, that's what moderation looks like, generally. Every social structure is moderated in some form.

DanBC 11y ago
Terry Davies knows he's hellbanned. Some people know they're hellbanned and post anyway.
- cactusface 11y ago
  Well, ok then. Except... in that particular case schizophrenic people usually have a poor sense of reality, heck even words like "hellban" and "dead" may have religious connotations. Not really sure what a better solution is.
  - DanBC 11y ago
    Being temporarily banned from an online forum is probably pretty low on the list of shitty things that happen to people with a diagnosis of a severe and enduring mental illness.
  - kedean 11y ago
    You don't seem to know much about the Terry Davis situation. When a persons posts are 50% racist slurs, there isn't much choice but to block them from posting. The hellban lets that person still post and converse with people who actively seek him out, without the downsides of having tons of hate speech all over the front page of HN. It's been said before and it'll be said again, schizophrenia is not a catch-all excuse for someone in a public forum.
    - cactusface 11y ago
      I just feel bad for the guy. Originally, I was just pointing out it was a kind of censorship greater than downvoting that has some unsavory aspects to it. Like I wrote above, it's not clear what a better solution would be, except perhaps if I was running things I would try just deleting his accounts. Oh, and you can't reply to his posts, but whatever.
      - kedean 11y ago
        Deleting accounts will cause him to create new accounts. The positive of a hellban is that it lets the person still use their account to broadcast to those who explicitly want to hear it, so there's much less reason for the person to make a new one.

CodeWriter23 11y ago

When groupthink expresses itself as mass downvoting, and the site reduces the size of your font and/or lightens the color until it is invisible, is that not censorship? The mob can be wrong you know, when the mob relies on a bad source.