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Red isn't a dialect of Lisp, nor exactly of Rebol. Red is descended from Rebol, and the two are very compatible. Rebol, in turn, has its heritage in Lisp, Forth

Red isn't a dialect of Lisp, nor exactly of Rebol. Red is descended from Rebol, and the two are very compatible. Rebol, in turn, has its heritage in Lisp, Forth, and Logo, with prototype objects as in Self. Both the Red and R3 teams see compatibility as a good thing going forward. And you have C interop today, though it will get easier in the future.

jlarocco 11y ago
TBH, Lisp is far more popular than Red and/or Rebol. I think most programmers who pay any attention to C++, Java, Scala, Clojure, Python, Ruby, Perl, or any other modern language can tell you a little bit about Lisp, because their language of choice has probably recently borrowed some Lisp features. The same thing can't really be said for Red/Rebol.
- greggirwin 11y ago
  I didn't say anything about popularity. Scheme is arguably more popular than Lisp, and Clojure and other Lisp derivatives are currently on more radars as well. But Red/Rebol are different, more Logo-like at the user level, but quite different even than that. For me, it's about what I can do best with each tool. Success is largely perception. Logo is Lisp (see Brian Harvey's works), and yet most people only think of it as turtle graphics for kids.
- iceflow19 11y ago
  The irony is that some core concepts in Rebol have been borrowed into the mainstream, the trouble being that people just don't realize it. Rebol was a major influence on JSON. Crockford used to be active in the community, and had really hoped for an opensource Rebol. Carl, who created the language didn't want that, so Douglas created JSON instead, as a way of bringing some of the concepts of Rebol's Data Exchange Dialect to the opensource masses. One regrettable thing is that the there was a definite loss in the syntax and semantics by making what would become JSON intelligible to Javascript.

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Red isn't a dialect of Lisp, nor exactly of Rebol. Red is descended from Rebol, and the two are very compatible. Rebol, in turn, has its heritage in Lisp, Forth

by greggirwin 11y ago

jlarocco 11y ago
TBH, Lisp is far more popular than Red and/or Rebol. I think most programmers who pay any attention to C++, Java, Scala, Clojure, Python, Ruby, Perl, or any other modern language can tell you a little bit about Lisp, because their language of choice has probably recently borrowed some Lisp features. The same thing can't really be said for Red/Rebol.
- greggirwin 11y ago
  I didn't say anything about popularity. Scheme is arguably more popular than Lisp, and Clojure and other Lisp derivatives are currently on more radars as well. But Red/Rebol are different, more Logo-like at the user level, but quite different even than that. For me, it's about what I can do best with each tool. Success is largely perception. Logo is Lisp (see Brian Harvey's works), and yet most people only think of it as turtle graphics for kids.
- iceflow19 11y ago
  The irony is that some core concepts in Rebol have been borrowed into the mainstream, the trouble being that people just don't realize it. Rebol was a major influence on JSON. Crockford used to be active in the community, and had really hoped for an opensource Rebol. Carl, who created the language didn't want that, so Douglas created JSON instead, as a way of bringing some of the concepts of Rebol's Data Exchange Dialect to the opensource masses. One regrettable thing is that the there was a definite loss in the syntax and semantics by making what would become JSON intelligible to Javascript.