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Do you have some numbers to back up your claim of immigrants being the major force behind the shortage? I could imagine it simply being movers within Germany. P

by lcswi 11y ago

Do you have some numbers to back up your claim of immigrants being the major force behind the shortage? I could imagine it simply being movers within Germany. People are leaving the country for hyped metropolis.

Zenst 11y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Berlin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Berlin whilst not best data as does not give a cronological breakdown by demographic. Though you can see from historical growth and current demographic that it is not organic migration from within the country and if anything more the opposite. I know that has been the case in London and whilst no rent controls we have all construction over a certain numebr of houses/flats (mostly flats) must be social housing/cheap. So it gets down to sneaky ways to play the figures. But more people means more demand and when the ethnic demographic is declining in those places and yet the population is increasing then yes it is a very large factor. Now the real issue and again very much tied into this would be companies love cheap labour so any way to increase access will be pushed with the political clout companies sadly have. This means wages get lower and that is the real issue. How so, well if wages do not increase and demand for housing does then you get situations in which we get rent controls being introduced and whilst they seem good. They are address an effect and not the problem and that is the wages being kept low artificialy and that is done via increased access to labour that will price fight each other. So one extra demand upon housing driving up prices is also a extra choice for jobs and driving down wages and with that we get hot-spot area's that need such intervention, sadly not the root cause, though that is not a simple fix. Could also say the demise of the unions also played a large part in enabling a work environment and culture that allows exploitation of workers, wage wise. not everybody works at google or the like and with that many middle to low skilled jobs been driven down and semi-skilled jobs in which they would train people, why bother, just use high skilled people on low skilled wages, plenty to pick from.

by lcswi 11y ago

Zenst 11y ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Berlin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Berlin whilst not best data as does not give a cronological breakdown by demographic. Though you can see from historical growth and current demographic that it is not organic migration from within the country and if anything more the opposite. I know that has been the case in London and whilst no rent controls we have all construction over a certain numebr of houses/flats (mostly flats) must be social housing/cheap. So it gets down to sneaky ways to play the figures. But more people means more demand and when the ethnic demographic is declining in those places and yet the population is increasing then yes it is a very large factor. Now the real issue and again very much tied into this would be companies love cheap labour so any way to increase access will be pushed with the political clout companies sadly have. This means wages get lower and that is the real issue. How so, well if wages do not increase and demand for housing does then you get situations in which we get rent controls being introduced and whilst they seem good. They are address an effect and not the problem and that is the wages being kept low artificialy and that is done via increased access to labour that will price fight each other. So one extra demand upon housing driving up prices is also a extra choice for jobs and driving down wages and with that we get hot-spot area's that need such intervention, sadly not the root cause, though that is not a simple fix. Could also say the demise of the unions also played a large part in enabling a work environment and culture that allows exploitation of workers, wage wise. not everybody works at google or the like and with that many middle to low skilled jobs been driven down and semi-skilled jobs in which they would train people, why bother, just use high skilled people on low skilled wages, plenty to pick from.