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so, are you implying that Chinese as a people are rude and lack civility? Because that's what your "contribution" to this discussion implies. Not just a few b

so, are you implying that Chinese as a people are rude and lack civility? Because that's what your "contribution" to this discussion implies. Not just a few bad eggs, but an entire 1+ billion people. If I were generous, I might say "you just don't know any better to think critically at a higher level", but I'm not generous. I'm saying "you are a moron". There we go.

mistermann 11y ago
> so, are you implying that Chinese as a people are rude and lack civility? Because that's what your "contribution" to this discussion implies. Not just a few bad eggs, but an entire 1+ billion people. No, and you know I'm not saying that. I am stating just one example of the obvious, that cultures are different - it's the topic of this thread after all, remember? You seem to imply that all cultures are either the same, or at least "equal", down to the individual level (you have a proportionally equal chance of meeting a rude Japanese person compared to a rude Chinese/American/whatever.) From another thread in this conversation: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9712181 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9712181 > Ancient China had tons of courtesy in social interactions, and used to consider other countries uncivilized. The lack of courtesy in Mainland China is due to the communist revolution, which promoted tough fighting mentality to break social hierarchy and order, and threw away traditional values. It's an aggressive way of promoting equality. The revolution is over since Chairman Mao left. Now that the Communist Party is the governing party, the emphasis is hierarchy and order, or in a better sounding word -- stability, so that they can stay in power forever. They try to bring back traditional values, but the revolutionary damages are hard to overcome. Is this commenter also unable to "think critically at a higher level"? Are you of the opinion that the cultural revolutions in China had no effect on culture? When you visit different countries, do you genuinely not notice a noteworthy difference in behaviors? EDIT: Just by coincidence, came across this comment in a Japanese food thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/food/comments/39qpcn/didnt_fly_first_class_didnt_eat_caviar_or_eat/cs5reya https://www.reddit.com/r/food/comments/39qpcn/didnt_fly_firs... As far as safety, there are 3 crimes per year per 10,000 residents. That compares with St. Louis' 800+ per 10,000 residents. I would like to think that those 3 crimes/10,000 residents in Japan were executed by tourists. No one locks their bikes. $2000 bikes just sitting around. I've never felt safer in my life. Japan is wonderful. That fellow also seems to detect a cultural difference between countries. 250x higher crime rate in St. Louis vs Japan. $2000 unlocked bikes, and no one steals them. Is he making this stuff up? If we were to look up crime statistics by country, would 100% of the difference be only because of people not reporting crimes where the statistical rate is lower? The levels of political correctness these days is absolutely ridiculous.
- msie 11y ago
  You did just say this: If you were generous, you might say "they just don't know any better", but I'm not generous. And if it is "just a few bad eggs" as is commonly claimed by "all cultures are precisely equal" advocates, then why don't some of their fellow righteous countrymen speak up and say something? You're proposing that it's not "just a few bad eggs" because you are are claiming that no righteous countrymen are speaking up.
  - mistermann 11y ago
    Yes, I am faulting the other Chinese people who were in fact there, and did not in any way attempt to discipline their fellow countrymen. I would expect the same of any nationality - if you are abroad, you should be respectful of the local customs, and if any of your own are acting up, you should make an attempt to put them in line. If I saw another Canadian jumping the queue at the airport, you're damn right they would have heard a word or two from me.

mistermann 11y ago

> so, are you implying that Chinese as a people are rude and lack civility? Because that's what your "contribution" to this discussion implies. Not just a few bad eggs, but an entire 1+ billion people. No, and you know I'm not saying that. I am stating just one example of the obvious, that cultures are different - it's the topic of this thread after all, remember? You seem to imply that all cultures are either the same, or at least "equal", down to the individual level (you have a proportionally equal chance of meeting a rude Japanese person compared to a rude Chinese/American/whatever.) From another thread in this conversation: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9712181 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9712181 > Ancient China had tons of courtesy in social interactions, and used to consider other countries uncivilized. The lack of courtesy in Mainland China is due to the communist revolution, which promoted tough fighting mentality to break social hierarchy and order, and threw away traditional values. It's an aggressive way of promoting equality. The revolution is over since Chairman Mao left. Now that the Communist Party is the governing party, the emphasis is hierarchy and order, or in a better sounding word -- stability, so that they can stay in power forever. They try to bring back traditional values, but the revolutionary damages are hard to overcome. Is this commenter also unable to "think critically at a higher level"? Are you of the opinion that the cultural revolutions in China had no effect on culture? When you visit different countries, do you genuinely not notice a noteworthy difference in behaviors? EDIT: Just by coincidence, came across this comment in a Japanese food thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/food/comments/39qpcn/didnt_fly_first_class_didnt_eat_caviar_or_eat/cs5reya https://www.reddit.com/r/food/comments/39qpcn/didnt_fly_firs... As far as safety, there are 3 crimes per year per 10,000 residents. That compares with St. Louis' 800+ per 10,000 residents. I would like to think that those 3 crimes/10,000 residents in Japan were executed by tourists. No one locks their bikes. $2000 bikes just sitting around. I've never felt safer in my life. Japan is wonderful. That fellow also seems to detect a cultural difference between countries. 250x higher crime rate in St. Louis vs Japan. $2000 unlocked bikes, and no one steals them. Is he making this stuff up? If we were to look up crime statistics by country, would 100% of the difference be only because of people not reporting crimes where the statistical rate is lower? The levels of political correctness these days is absolutely ridiculous.

msie 11y ago
You did just say this: If you were generous, you might say "they just don't know any better", but I'm not generous. And if it is "just a few bad eggs" as is commonly claimed by "all cultures are precisely equal" advocates, then why don't some of their fellow righteous countrymen speak up and say something? You're proposing that it's not "just a few bad eggs" because you are are claiming that no righteous countrymen are speaking up.
- mistermann 11y ago
  Yes, I am faulting the other Chinese people who were in fact there, and did not in any way attempt to discipline their fellow countrymen. I would expect the same of any nationality - if you are abroad, you should be respectful of the local customs, and if any of your own are acting up, you should make an attempt to put them in line. If I saw another Canadian jumping the queue at the airport, you're damn right they would have heard a word or two from me.