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Is it a guise of privacy when iAds is actually more private? Google has already done this with blocking Flash ads which blocks their own ad network as well.

kibwen 11y ago
It is indeed more private, and I welcome the move. Users need choice. But let's not overlook the obvious bid here to entice content providers into Apple's walled garden while also taking a direct swipe at the business model of their biggest competitor.
- stephenr 11y ago
  The content blockers stuff is not a "block Google" checkbox. It's a way a safari extension on OS X or iOS can prevent load or hide literally any object requested by the browser/web view It won't affect Google ads if they're in loaded in native apps. Personally I view this as being inevitable given their recent high profile privacy push. I'm not saying they weren't pro-privacy before, but they're enhancing and promoting that factor more now than ever.
  - kibwen 11y ago
    It won't affect Google ads if they're loaded in native apps, but what's keeping Apple from ousting Google ads from their platform entirely? iOS doesn't have a monopoly on mobile, so Google would have no recourse if Apple decided that all new apps must use iAd rather than AdMob. App developers wouldn't care, advertisers wouldn't care, and users definitely wouldn't care.
    - stephenr 11y ago
      Some developers may care. I'm not saying they should or shouldn't do that, I'm just saying that while this can be used to prevent GA tracking via web ads it isn't an out-and-out attack on googles ad network
- jimmaswell 11y ago
  Are free websites going to last much longer if we keep attacking ads?
  - stephenr 11y ago
    I'd take you more seriously if you referred to them as "ad supported websites" rather than "free" websites.
    - kbenson 11y ago
      I think "free" is the most accurate succinct terminology to be used here, when used with it's most common definition. An ad-supported site/service can still cost money to use (e.g. Hulu Plus), so just referring to a site as ad-supported to distinguish the business model is no clearer than calling it free. The way to resolve this is to be more explicit, such as saying it's "monetarily free". But we all knew what was meant, so why bother?
      - brendal 11y ago
        > But we all knew what was meant, so why bother? Some dudes here have autism. That or they like to be a pain in the ass...
        spdustin 11y ago
        I am desperate for the time when my karma is high enough to down vote people who use "autism" as a means to condescend or insult. In the meantime, I'll just politely ask: Please stop doing that.
        dang 11y ago
        You can flag a comment like that by clicking on its timestamp to go to its page, then clicking 'flag'. If enough users do so, the comment will be flag-killed. That's happened here. Please don't post comments like this, though, which only dilute the thread further.
cpeterso 11y ago
Google/DoubleClick has been using Swiffy to convert their customers' Flash ads to non-Flash HTML/SVG for mobile websites. It would be easy to use Swiffy ads on desktop, too. If other ad networks can't convert Flash ads, then ad agencies that want to continue use their Flash toolchain will move to Google/Doubleclick's ad network (to get Swiffy) thanks to a change in Google's own browser (which also happens to be the world's most popular browser).

kibwen 11y ago

It is indeed more private, and I welcome the move. Users need choice. But let's not overlook the obvious bid here to entice content providers into Apple's walled garden while also taking a direct swipe at the business model of their biggest competitor.

stephenr 11y ago
The content blockers stuff is not a "block Google" checkbox. It's a way a safari extension on OS X or iOS can prevent load or hide literally any object requested by the browser/web view It won't affect Google ads if they're in loaded in native apps. Personally I view this as being inevitable given their recent high profile privacy push. I'm not saying they weren't pro-privacy before, but they're enhancing and promoting that factor more now than ever.
- kibwen 11y ago
  It won't affect Google ads if they're loaded in native apps, but what's keeping Apple from ousting Google ads from their platform entirely? iOS doesn't have a monopoly on mobile, so Google would have no recourse if Apple decided that all new apps must use iAd rather than AdMob. App developers wouldn't care, advertisers wouldn't care, and users definitely wouldn't care.
  - stephenr 11y ago
    Some developers may care. I'm not saying they should or shouldn't do that, I'm just saying that while this can be used to prevent GA tracking via web ads it isn't an out-and-out attack on googles ad network
jimmaswell 11y ago
Are free websites going to last much longer if we keep attacking ads?
- stephenr 11y ago
  I'd take you more seriously if you referred to them as "ad supported websites" rather than "free" websites.
  - kbenson 11y ago
    I think "free" is the most accurate succinct terminology to be used here, when used with it's most common definition. An ad-supported site/service can still cost money to use (e.g. Hulu Plus), so just referring to a site as ad-supported to distinguish the business model is no clearer than calling it free. The way to resolve this is to be more explicit, such as saying it's "monetarily free". But we all knew what was meant, so why bother?
    - brendal 11y ago
      > But we all knew what was meant, so why bother? Some dudes here have autism. That or they like to be a pain in the ass...
      - spdustin 11y ago
        I am desperate for the time when my karma is high enough to down vote people who use "autism" as a means to condescend or insult. In the meantime, I'll just politely ask: Please stop doing that.
        dang 11y ago
        You can flag a comment like that by clicking on its timestamp to go to its page, then clicking 'flag'. If enough users do so, the comment will be flag-killed. That's happened here. Please don't post comments like this, though, which only dilute the thread further.

cpeterso 11y ago

Google/DoubleClick has been using Swiffy to convert their customers' Flash ads to non-Flash HTML/SVG for mobile websites. It would be easy to use Swiffy ads on desktop, too. If other ad networks can't convert Flash ads, then ad agencies that want to continue use their Flash toolchain will move to Google/Doubleclick's ad network (to get Swiffy) thanks to a change in Google's own browser (which also happens to be the world's most popular browser).