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This part makes my stomach turn: The West has been in this position before. Optimism about the prospects of transforming an ancient civilization through engage
by qiqing 11y ago
This part makes my stomach turn:
The West has been in this position before. Optimism about the prospects of transforming an ancient civilization through engagement, followed by deep disillusion, has been the pattern ever since early Jesuit missionaries sought to convert the Chinese to Christianity. Those envoys adopted the gowns of the Mandarin class, grew long beards and even couched their gospel message in Confucian terms to make it more palatable. The 17th-century German priest Adam Schall got as far as becoming the chief astronomer of the Qing dynasty. But he fell from favor, and the Jesuits were later expelled.
More like disillusioned with "the West." The lesson learned on the other side (which took a really long time with wars, revolutions, and capitalist reforms to un-learn) is to not trust 'the West' because they'll try to hook your citizens on opium while trying to convert you to their religion. And if you ban opium and deport opium dealers, they'll kidnap your emperor, start a war, and burn/loot your ancient civilization.
What the author of the article seems to forget is that there are elderly people alive today who lived through that. My grandfather was sold into indentured servitude because of his parents' opium habit.
Moreover, for a nation with China's current levels of import/export and the rate at which cargo ships get attacked by pirates (as they go around Somalia to reach the Mediterranean), what's wrong with building up a navy? That's reducing dependence on local infrastructure and has got nothing to do with the U.S.
- EdwardDiego 11y ago> what's wrong with building up a navy? Ask Taiwan and the Philippines how they feel about that.
- ausjke 11y agoBy the same logic we probably should also ask China about US Navy cruising close to its territory regularly, i.e. how does China feels about that over the years. China has indeed never been a country that is offensive, unlike the west. China prefers to fighting internally instead historically.
- invaliddata 11y agoUnless never does not apply to any history older than about three decades past, I think Vietnam and India would have serious problems with the characterization that china has not been (militarily) offensive. That's not to draw any comparison to the history of the us, but china is hardly a paragon of restraint, even in the relatively recent past.
- DanBC 11y ago> China has indeed never been a country that is offensive, unlike the west. Tibet? Korea? > China prefers to fighting internally There's a lot of that. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chinese_wars_and_battles https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chinese_wars_and_battl...