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First of all, Israel is a special case. It has been founded artificially on a land that was predominantly inhabited by muslims, surrounded by countries predomin

First of all, Israel is a special case. It has been founded artificially on a land that was predominantly inhabited by muslims, surrounded by countries predominantly inhabited by muslims. I won't dive into any discussion if that was a good idea, or if they were right to do that, I am just stating that a lot of non-muslims streamed into a place where there were lots of muslims. The idea that this jewish state, would manage to keep out the majority population in the region without some major "ethnic cleansing" is ridiculous. In Europe it's the other way around. The large majority here is not muslim, and there is a small (yes, it's tiny compared to the whole population) influx of muslims. There is no reason to fear a islamification of Europe. The numbers just don't allow it.

JesperRavn 11y ago
I never said that Europe would be "Islamified", although Europe is projected to be 8% Muslim by 2030[0], and not all immigration is from Islamic countries. For reference, Israel is 21% Muslim[1]. If your suburb becomes 50% muslim, it's certainly going to have a big effect even if other parts of the country remain unaffected. I don't see how your argument about geography works. Not everyone in a neighboring country is going to try to claim refugee status. Netanyahu was referring to 60,000 refugees but this was a total over many years, while Sweden, a country of similar population size to Israel, accepted 31,000 refugees in 2014 [2] and will accept even more in 2015. [0] http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/01/15/5-facts-about-the-muslim-population-in-europe/ http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/01/15/5-facts-abou... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Israel https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Israel [2] http://www.migrationsverket.se/English/About-the-Migration-Agency/Facts-and-statistics-/Statistics/2014.html http://www.migrationsverket.se/English/About-the-Migration-A...
- lllllll 11y ago
  >> If your suburb becomes 50% muslim, it's certainly going to have a big effect even if other parts of the country remain unaffected. This.
  - bayesianhorse 11y ago
    "Big effect on suburb" does not become "Influence on European Culture". If these immigrants have their own culture, just by living it, they don't necessarily constitute an influence. Just like there being Millions of French in France doesn't necessarily influence German cultures...

JesperRavn 11y ago

I never said that Europe would be "Islamified", although Europe is projected to be 8% Muslim by 2030[0], and not all immigration is from Islamic countries. For reference, Israel is 21% Muslim[1]. If your suburb becomes 50% muslim, it's certainly going to have a big effect even if other parts of the country remain unaffected. I don't see how your argument about geography works. Not everyone in a neighboring country is going to try to claim refugee status. Netanyahu was referring to 60,000 refugees but this was a total over many years, while Sweden, a country of similar population size to Israel, accepted 31,000 refugees in 2014 [2] and will accept even more in 2015. [0] http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/01/15/5-facts-about-the-muslim-population-in-europe/ http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/01/15/5-facts-abou... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Israel https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Israel [2] http://www.migrationsverket.se/English/About-the-Migration-Agency/Facts-and-statistics-/Statistics/2014.html http://www.migrationsverket.se/English/About-the-Migration-A...

lllllll 11y ago
>> If your suburb becomes 50% muslim, it's certainly going to have a big effect even if other parts of the country remain unaffected. This.
- bayesianhorse 11y ago
  "Big effect on suburb" does not become "Influence on European Culture". If these immigrants have their own culture, just by living it, they don't necessarily constitute an influence. Just like there being Millions of French in France doesn't necessarily influence German cultures...