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And again, i see only an option to hide games with in-app purchases, but no separation for games that sell in-app consumables and games that are free demos and

And again, i see only an option to hide games with in-app purchases, but no separation for games that sell in-app consumables and games that are free demos and allow purchase of further content with one-time payments. You're not doing anyone a favor by penalizing the modern equivalent of shareware games and discouraging demos. Edit: As a discovery tool it also misses a massive feature a user needs to be able to usefully discover new content with this: The ability to hide games they don't care about. User-provided tags also do not exist and the existing breadth of tags is pitiful.

GeneralTspoon 11y ago
It's something I would like to do - but requires a large manual labour invest. Not to mention it changes over time. Something that's on the TODO list definitely. I don't think it's really 'penalising demos' though - since there's also a 'Free' filter, which the game will show up under. Of course I understand it would be better to separate IAP & IAC, but I'm only one guy :) I'll be categorising the 'demos' and 'lite' versions soon though (since they'll show up under both 'Free' and 'No-IAP' sometimes, which isn't really fair).
- Mithaldu 11y ago
  > since there's also a 'Free' filter Which then would also show games with consumable IAPs, which for the majority of problematic games are the actual issue, since that's what drives abusive game design. > I'm only one guy :) Are you truly intending to remain the only arbiter of what is in there? If it was crowd-sourced with moderator control this could become something great, but if it remains only you, then (and this is only my personal opinion) this seems like it's dead before it started.
  - GeneralTspoon 11y ago
    True indeed. I agree that differentiation between IAP & IAC would be a good improvement. No, but as of now, I am. Designing a quantifiable system for ranking a game is one of the problems that needs to be solved if moderation is to work.
    - Mithaldu 11y ago
      Strongly recommending you find some people who're interested in curating and whom you trust to make good decisions. There are many ways to automate and quantify such things, but sometimes the uman factor cannot be avoided. Letting people tag things privately, and then contacting the ones who seem to be doing prolific and/or high quality tagging would seem to be an easy selection process.
PhasmaFelis 11y ago
It _is_ stil in beta and made by one guy. By all means offer suggestions, but let's not jump down the guy's throat about it. I agree that this is far from a complete, functional product, but I'd like to see it become one, not be abandoned in disgust.
- Mithaldu 11y ago
  I'm being curt because i am short on time, what's there and uncommented on is decently enough, and most importantly: Over the past year i've seen various projects like this come up, pass by, and remain useless and unused due to a lack of deep understanding of the issues of the market and lack engagement with the userbase. This one's not very different from the ones i've seen before and has not yet shown remotely enough potential to merit anything but the minimum effort to try and kick it in the right direction. Besides, i have little patience for software developers who perceive criticism of their software as personal slights. Does that make me an ass? Maybe. Do i care? No. Fortunately GeneralTSpoon seems to be able to take criticism just fine.

GeneralTspoon 11y ago

It's something I would like to do - but requires a large manual labour invest. Not to mention it changes over time. Something that's on the TODO list definitely. I don't think it's really 'penalising demos' though - since there's also a 'Free' filter, which the game will show up under. Of course I understand it would be better to separate IAP & IAC, but I'm only one guy :) I'll be categorising the 'demos' and 'lite' versions soon though (since they'll show up under both 'Free' and 'No-IAP' sometimes, which isn't really fair).

Mithaldu 11y ago
> since there's also a 'Free' filter Which then would also show games with consumable IAPs, which for the majority of problematic games are the actual issue, since that's what drives abusive game design. > I'm only one guy :) Are you truly intending to remain the only arbiter of what is in there? If it was crowd-sourced with moderator control this could become something great, but if it remains only you, then (and this is only my personal opinion) this seems like it's dead before it started.
- GeneralTspoon 11y ago
  True indeed. I agree that differentiation between IAP & IAC would be a good improvement. No, but as of now, I am. Designing a quantifiable system for ranking a game is one of the problems that needs to be solved if moderation is to work.
  - Mithaldu 11y ago
    Strongly recommending you find some people who're interested in curating and whom you trust to make good decisions. There are many ways to automate and quantify such things, but sometimes the uman factor cannot be avoided. Letting people tag things privately, and then contacting the ones who seem to be doing prolific and/or high quality tagging would seem to be an easy selection process.

PhasmaFelis 11y ago

It _is_ stil in beta and made by one guy. By all means offer suggestions, but let's not jump down the guy's throat about it. I agree that this is far from a complete, functional product, but I'd like to see it become one, not be abandoned in disgust.

Mithaldu 11y ago
I'm being curt because i am short on time, what's there and uncommented on is decently enough, and most importantly: Over the past year i've seen various projects like this come up, pass by, and remain useless and unused due to a lack of deep understanding of the issues of the market and lack engagement with the userbase. This one's not very different from the ones i've seen before and has not yet shown remotely enough potential to merit anything but the minimum effort to try and kick it in the right direction. Besides, i have little patience for software developers who perceive criticism of their software as personal slights. Does that make me an ass? Maybe. Do i care? No. Fortunately GeneralTSpoon seems to be able to take criticism just fine.