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Tibet's relation to China is nothing like Utah and the US. Why would you get that idea? Utah was a US territory after the Guadalupe treaty with Mexico in 1848.

by npalli 11y ago

Tibet's relation to China is nothing like Utah and the US. Why would you get that idea? Utah was a US territory after the Guadalupe treaty with Mexico in 1848. After it became a US territory, mormons were encouraged to settle into Utah with the full backing of the US government. Tibet has existed as an independent kingdom for various times in the history of China/Tibet. Very recently, tibet had defacto independence before it was annexed by the communist party in 1951. Edit: To give you some perspective, here is a gif showing all the Chinese empires since the Warring states (350 BC). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_China#/media/File:Territories_of_Dynasties_in_China.gif https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_China#/media/File:T... The only two periods (from 350 BC to current) under which Tibet came under the Chinese empires was Yuan Empire (1294 - 1368) Qing Empire (1644 - 1912) Finally annexation by the communist party in 1951. It must be noted that both the Yuan and Qing empires were non-Han (Mongol, Manchu respectively).

jessedhillon 11y ago
> tibet had defacto independence before it was annexed by the communist party in 1951. Tibet was struggling to gain any sort of international recognition and was, as you say, independent de facto and not de jure. They were about as independent as the Principality of Sealand. In 1906 Great Britain and China signed the Convention Between Great Britain and China Respecting Tibet, which recognized China's sovereignty over the region. The brief period during which the de facto independence existed was during the Chinese civil war, when the Tibetans took advantage of that situation and agitated for independence. Nothing ever became of that effort, because the formation of a new state requires international recognition. The list of treaties recognizing China's authority over Tibet goes on, whereas there exists a distinct lack of anything resembling international recognition for the existence of an independent Tibet. So that's why I have the idea that Tibet is a province, subordinate to the central Chinese government.
- npalli 11y ago
  Even in the best case (for China), the Chinese had suzerain rights over Tibet according to the convention. That is not at all the same as Utah and the US. Also, being an independent kingdom with antiquity Tibet has a right to challenge status quo based on history, which again is nothing like Utah/Mormons and the US since there was no Mormom state prior to it being a US territory.

by npalli 11y ago

jessedhillon 11y ago

> tibet had defacto independence before it was annexed by the communist party in 1951. Tibet was struggling to gain any sort of international recognition and was, as you say, independent de facto and not de jure. They were about as independent as the Principality of Sealand. In 1906 Great Britain and China signed the Convention Between Great Britain and China Respecting Tibet, which recognized China's sovereignty over the region. The brief period during which the de facto independence existed was during the Chinese civil war, when the Tibetans took advantage of that situation and agitated for independence. Nothing ever became of that effort, because the formation of a new state requires international recognition. The list of treaties recognizing China's authority over Tibet goes on, whereas there exists a distinct lack of anything resembling international recognition for the existence of an independent Tibet. So that's why I have the idea that Tibet is a province, subordinate to the central Chinese government.

npalli 11y ago
Even in the best case (for China), the Chinese had suzerain rights over Tibet according to the convention. That is not at all the same as Utah and the US. Also, being an independent kingdom with antiquity Tibet has a right to challenge status quo based on history, which again is nothing like Utah/Mormons and the US since there was no Mormom state prior to it being a US territory.