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Another Army vet here and totally agree. I remember looking at pictures of Ferguson and seeing how they were setting up their kit and thinking "what are you guy

Another Army vet here and totally agree. I remember looking at pictures of Ferguson and seeing how they were setting up their kit and thinking "what are you guys doing? getting ready for an ambush?" They look so absurd...the one picture of the guy on top of the MRAP with a sniper rifle was equally absurd. Beyond how they look, it's like they're at times forgetting these are citizens and not enemy combatants. Edit1: Here's the picture I was talking about[1]. Looks like an M110? With some kind of compensator? Edit2: That Tac light on the end of your sniper rifle just screams "I have no idea wtf I'm doing but imma sit here and look cool." [1] http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/76953879_453575526.jpg http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/0...

dmfdmf 11y ago
> Beyond how they look, it's like they're at times forgetting these are citizens and not enemy combatants. This can't be stressed enough. What needs to be stopped is the false distinction of civilian vs non-civilian in police work and policy. That is strictly a military distinction in combat and does not apply to civilized enforcement of the law during normal circumstances. Cops are not above the law and are just civilians empowered to enforce the laws, nothing more.
- curun1r 11y ago
  It's also important to continually remind citizens that police officers are human beings too and not just implements the state uses to punish people. Stuff like a program a local police department started in cooperation with a local pizzeria where they stop children who are properly wearing helmets while riding their bicycles and give them a coupon for a free personal pizza and a thank you for doing the right thing. It's been very positive for both children, parents and police in breaking down the notion that police are to be feared. More police departments need to do stuff like this to foster positive interactions with police.
  - dmfdmf 11y ago
    I think the drug laws are one of the main reason that cops have isolated themselves from non-LEO. When was the last time you went to a party or even a dinner party and an off-duty police officer was present? The LEOs are isolating because they know that if they witness a crime such as drug use they can get in trouble if they don't report it. To avoid this they don't socialize outside other LEOs which I think reinforces the us vs them or citizen vs non-citizen distinction that needs to be broken down. The internet has really helped as some cops do participate in public forums and this type of socializing is crucial so that cops and cop culture are more integrated with civil society.
  - grkvlt 11y ago
    ObOffTopic: > children [...] properly wearing helmets while riding their bicycles [given a] thank you for doing the right thing So, children who are not wearing helmets then? I don't really get the strange idea that wearing helmets makes children safer on bikes. I grew up riding bicycles without a helmet, much as everyone else did, and has done since bicycles were invented. There were no cases (nor reports or warnings) of traumatic head injury due to lack of protection reported, to a good first order approximation. And even the statistically minor numebr of head injuries sustained by children on bikes has remained exactly that after the increase in helmet wearing. Research indicates there is no benefit provided by helmet wearing, and suggests it may even increase risky behaviour. [citation needed] It's quite hard to find data on children only, as it happens, but the following quote gives the picture overall: "However, the Statistics Bulletin shows the UK cyclist casualty figure was 16,196 in 2006 compared to 16,297 in 2008 - an increase of about half a percent. For all road users, casualties fell from 258,404 in 2006 to 230,905 in 2008 - a reduction of 11.9%. During this period, helmet wearing increased by 3.6%." So no change in casualties with an increase in helmet wearing. This is borne out by other reports, and in general mandatory helmet wearing is discouraged as a net public health loss due to dimished cycling, causing less exercise and therefore a less healthy population. Parents today, eh? Get those helmet wearing kids off my lawn! Thanks for listening ;)
HillRat 11y ago
I also like the subdued flag patch and ACUPAT trousers. Really sells the hipster "Ramadi 2006" vintage look.
- remarkEon 11y ago
  Didn't even notice but when I looked again at the subdued flag patch I noticed he's got a mini eotech on the front rail of that gun. My platoon sergeant would have lost his mind.
  - lepht 11y ago
    Mind explaining the "eotech"/platoon sargeant being upset, for us civilians? ;)
    - remarkEon 11y ago
      Eotechs are, generally, optics designed for close quarters combat (though there are limited instances where it would be appropriate on a gun like that...maybe on a long gun from an unstable platform like a helicopter and you have a big target). Think inside of a building where you're shooting around corners or short hallways and you need both eyes open for depth perception. I was a platoon leader (lieutenant) and the platoon sergeant is the senior enlisted man in the platoon who is the most experienced with the technical side of combat. My platoon sergeant hated when people just tried to "look cool" with the things they put on their kit or gun that made no practical sense.

dmfdmf 11y ago

> Beyond how they look, it's like they're at times forgetting these are citizens and not enemy combatants. This can't be stressed enough. What needs to be stopped is the false distinction of civilian vs non-civilian in police work and policy. That is strictly a military distinction in combat and does not apply to civilized enforcement of the law during normal circumstances. Cops are not above the law and are just civilians empowered to enforce the laws, nothing more.

curun1r 11y ago
It's also important to continually remind citizens that police officers are human beings too and not just implements the state uses to punish people. Stuff like a program a local police department started in cooperation with a local pizzeria where they stop children who are properly wearing helmets while riding their bicycles and give them a coupon for a free personal pizza and a thank you for doing the right thing. It's been very positive for both children, parents and police in breaking down the notion that police are to be feared. More police departments need to do stuff like this to foster positive interactions with police.
- dmfdmf 11y ago
  I think the drug laws are one of the main reason that cops have isolated themselves from non-LEO. When was the last time you went to a party or even a dinner party and an off-duty police officer was present? The LEOs are isolating because they know that if they witness a crime such as drug use they can get in trouble if they don't report it. To avoid this they don't socialize outside other LEOs which I think reinforces the us vs them or citizen vs non-citizen distinction that needs to be broken down. The internet has really helped as some cops do participate in public forums and this type of socializing is crucial so that cops and cop culture are more integrated with civil society.
- grkvlt 11y ago
  ObOffTopic: > children [...] properly wearing helmets while riding their bicycles [given a] thank you for doing the right thing So, children who are not wearing helmets then? I don't really get the strange idea that wearing helmets makes children safer on bikes. I grew up riding bicycles without a helmet, much as everyone else did, and has done since bicycles were invented. There were no cases (nor reports or warnings) of traumatic head injury due to lack of protection reported, to a good first order approximation. And even the statistically minor numebr of head injuries sustained by children on bikes has remained exactly that after the increase in helmet wearing. Research indicates there is no benefit provided by helmet wearing, and suggests it may even increase risky behaviour. [citation needed] It's quite hard to find data on children only, as it happens, but the following quote gives the picture overall: "However, the Statistics Bulletin shows the UK cyclist casualty figure was 16,196 in 2006 compared to 16,297 in 2008 - an increase of about half a percent. For all road users, casualties fell from 258,404 in 2006 to 230,905 in 2008 - a reduction of 11.9%. During this period, helmet wearing increased by 3.6%." So no change in casualties with an increase in helmet wearing. This is borne out by other reports, and in general mandatory helmet wearing is discouraged as a net public health loss due to dimished cycling, causing less exercise and therefore a less healthy population. Parents today, eh? Get those helmet wearing kids off my lawn! Thanks for listening ;)

HillRat 11y ago

I also like the subdued flag patch and ACUPAT trousers. Really sells the hipster "Ramadi 2006" vintage look.

remarkEon 11y ago
Didn't even notice but when I looked again at the subdued flag patch I noticed he's got a mini eotech on the front rail of that gun. My platoon sergeant would have lost his mind.
- lepht 11y ago
  Mind explaining the "eotech"/platoon sargeant being upset, for us civilians? ;)
  - remarkEon 11y ago
    Eotechs are, generally, optics designed for close quarters combat (though there are limited instances where it would be appropriate on a gun like that...maybe on a long gun from an unstable platform like a helicopter and you have a big target). Think inside of a building where you're shooting around corners or short hallways and you need both eyes open for depth perception. I was a platoon leader (lieutenant) and the platoon sergeant is the senior enlisted man in the platoon who is the most experienced with the technical side of combat. My platoon sergeant hated when people just tried to "look cool" with the things they put on their kit or gun that made no practical sense.