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I think banning the fatpeoplehate subreddit wouldn't have gone over so badly if it wasn't for the fact that Ellen Pao was already kind of hated on the site for

by lnanek2 11y ago

I think banning the fatpeoplehate subreddit wouldn't have gone over so badly if it wasn't for the fact that Ellen Pao was already kind of hated on the site for constantly banning and deleting anything disagreeing with her viewpoint about her law suit. Even political cartoons with her driving the tank and the reddit alien with a down vote in front were getting deleted, which were quite funny and appropriate, since she was shadow banning and deleting people basically for down voting her law suit. It's tough to stand up and defend the fatpeoplehate group, but when someone abusing their power and deleting anything they don't agree with in a lawsuit does it, well, in this case maybe a villain ruining the site on her managed to do something not terrible, but because she is a villain it comes across a lot worse.

leereeves 11y ago
They even censored https://www.reddit.com/r/bestof/comments/39ddnb/if_you_dont_believe_in_freedom_of_speech_for/ https://www.reddit.com/r/bestof/comments/39ddnb/if_you_dont_... "If you don't believe in freedom of speech for those you loathe, you don't believe in freedom of speech." (1600 points and gone from http://reddit.com/r/bestof http://reddit.com/r/bestof)
- felixgallo 11y ago
  In what sense is it ironic? Reddit is a private corporation unaffiliated with the United States Government.
  - leereeves 11y ago
    I was wrong, it's not ironic at all. Censoring a post criticizing censorship is perfectly consistent. Though not entirely consistent with their statement that "we do protect the right of people to express their views".
    - felixgallo 11y ago
      You will doubtless learn, in your travels, that not every corporation will die on the hill staying true to the maximal interpretation of a throwaway sentence posted on their free service.
      - leereeves 11y ago
        That statement was posted 10 hours ago in their official announcement of these bans. Would remaining true to their statement for one day really have killed them on the hill?
  - deciplex 11y ago
    Censorship need not involve a government entity. Censorship is not equivalent to violating the First Amendment.
- jfuhrman 11y ago
  It wasn't even removed by Reddit. It was removed by subreddit mods who essentially have full control of a sub. Anyone can create a sub and enforce their own curation or arbitrary rules which is not the same as censorship. From the sub sidebar: >This is a curated space. >The moderators reserve the right to remove posts, users, and comments at their own discretion. If I create a subreddit where I ban all posts start with A, is that censorship, or is that freedom for me to run and build my online space as I wish?
  - leereeves 11y ago
    How do you see who it was removed by?
    - jfuhrman 11y ago
      Reddit admin staff don't touch any posts in subreddits unless it is something against the site rules like doxxing,personal info or child porn. Some subs leave a flair or a moderator message on removed submission, if not you can modmail them and ask.
      - 001sky 11y ago
        What is a shadow ban like on Reddit?
        jfuhrman 11y ago
        User keeps seeing their comments, but other users cannot see their posts or their user page. Only Admins can shadowban. Mods can use a tool called automoderator to remove posts by certain users but only in their subreddit.
        finnn 11y ago
        Minor correction: Posts of shadow banned users are visible, but only after a mod of that subreddit manually approves each one. Basically everything they post is flagged as spam.
alexc05 11y ago
Do you have any source that gives more detail about a post of "editorial cartoon" being deleted? That does seem an odd example. Editorial cartoons are a pretty fundamental part of journalism. What if Tony Blair could delete news of the world editorial cartoons? Seems to cross a line and, all due respect, until I saw proof that a delete happened, I'd be more likely to believe it was a histrionic "just-so-story" I mean, Pao deleting this stuff personally? Even admins doing it? It doesn't seem reasonable to me.
- arfliw 11y ago
  I don't know if it's reasonable or not but it is not happening. Every time it is subreddit moderators removing stuff that violates their own rules. Then the second it goes down everybody blames Pao automatically. Just like today. These people somehow seem to miss the dozens of huge threads that aren't removed that she could delete with a couple clicks. She could search her name every night and delete everything in a few minutes. Yet instead she randomly deletes a thread here and there? Makes no logical sense.
jfuhrman 11y ago
Please stop spreading this nonsense. I expected better from HN. >constantly banning and deleting anything disagreeing with her viewpoint about her law suit. There are multiple posts on multiple reddits, each with thousands of points and comments that were not deleted. Some posts were deleted by sub moderators(not the same as Reddit staff or Pao) on some subs because they were offtopic and were being vote brigaded and had comments full of hate speech. E.g of posts: http://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/30j9mn/ellen_pao_loses_silicon_valley_gender_bias_case/?ref=search_posts http://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/30j9mn/ellen_pao_loses... http://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/38qkmx/after_losing_her_lawsuit_ellen_pao_demands_27/?ref=search_posts http://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/38qkmx/after_losing_he... It doesn't make any sense why she would leave those posts up if she really was deleting stuff. It's interesting how the folks against her have made it look like she was. It's just sad how easily so many people are manipulated by false information. Examples of comments that were being made and upvoted by the brigades on unrelated big subs: >Somebody needs to fire this whore right fucking now. What a tampon smear... >She's a lying cunt who is using her pussy pass because she didn't get what she wanted; a big pay-out for being a whore. Why would subreddit mods want to deal with hundreds of such comments when the story is offtopic to their sub?
- deleted 11y ago
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  - ossreality 11y ago
    So much cognitive dissonance in such 4 short lines.
  - jfuhrman 11y ago
    The sub had no subscribers, and the only mod and founder of it spammed the name of the sub in another sub, and it was a new account. There are plenty of anti-Pao subs that haven't been banned since months and those actually have subscribers and content being posted.
  - freebsdgirl 11y ago
    So do a search on reddit, look to see how much Pao-hate remains that is weeks/months old. It's pretty obvious that this was some BS rumor cooked up by conspiracy theorists.

by lnanek2 11y ago

leereeves 11y ago

They even censored https://www.reddit.com/r/bestof/comments/39ddnb/if_you_dont_believe_in_freedom_of_speech_for/ https://www.reddit.com/r/bestof/comments/39ddnb/if_you_dont_... "If you don't believe in freedom of speech for those you loathe, you don't believe in freedom of speech." (1600 points and gone from http://reddit.com/r/bestof http://reddit.com/r/bestof)

felixgallo 11y ago
In what sense is it ironic? Reddit is a private corporation unaffiliated with the United States Government.
- leereeves 11y ago
  I was wrong, it's not ironic at all. Censoring a post criticizing censorship is perfectly consistent. Though not entirely consistent with their statement that "we do protect the right of people to express their views".
  - felixgallo 11y ago
    You will doubtless learn, in your travels, that not every corporation will die on the hill staying true to the maximal interpretation of a throwaway sentence posted on their free service.
    - leereeves 11y ago
      That statement was posted 10 hours ago in their official announcement of these bans. Would remaining true to their statement for one day really have killed them on the hill?
- deciplex 11y ago
  Censorship need not involve a government entity. Censorship is not equivalent to violating the First Amendment.
jfuhrman 11y ago
It wasn't even removed by Reddit. It was removed by subreddit mods who essentially have full control of a sub. Anyone can create a sub and enforce their own curation or arbitrary rules which is not the same as censorship. From the sub sidebar: >This is a curated space. >The moderators reserve the right to remove posts, users, and comments at their own discretion. If I create a subreddit where I ban all posts start with A, is that censorship, or is that freedom for me to run and build my online space as I wish?
- leereeves 11y ago
  How do you see who it was removed by?
  - jfuhrman 11y ago
    Reddit admin staff don't touch any posts in subreddits unless it is something against the site rules like doxxing,personal info or child porn. Some subs leave a flair or a moderator message on removed submission, if not you can modmail them and ask.
    - 001sky 11y ago
      What is a shadow ban like on Reddit?
      - jfuhrman 11y ago
        User keeps seeing their comments, but other users cannot see their posts or their user page. Only Admins can shadowban. Mods can use a tool called automoderator to remove posts by certain users but only in their subreddit.
        finnn 11y ago
        Minor correction: Posts of shadow banned users are visible, but only after a mod of that subreddit manually approves each one. Basically everything they post is flagged as spam.

alexc05 11y ago

Do you have any source that gives more detail about a post of "editorial cartoon" being deleted? That does seem an odd example. Editorial cartoons are a pretty fundamental part of journalism. What if Tony Blair could delete news of the world editorial cartoons? Seems to cross a line and, all due respect, until I saw proof that a delete happened, I'd be more likely to believe it was a histrionic "just-so-story" I mean, Pao deleting this stuff personally? Even admins doing it? It doesn't seem reasonable to me.

arfliw 11y ago
I don't know if it's reasonable or not but it is not happening. Every time it is subreddit moderators removing stuff that violates their own rules. Then the second it goes down everybody blames Pao automatically. Just like today. These people somehow seem to miss the dozens of huge threads that aren't removed that she could delete with a couple clicks. She could search her name every night and delete everything in a few minutes. Yet instead she randomly deletes a thread here and there? Makes no logical sense.

jfuhrman 11y ago

Please stop spreading this nonsense. I expected better from HN. >constantly banning and deleting anything disagreeing with her viewpoint about her law suit. There are multiple posts on multiple reddits, each with thousands of points and comments that were not deleted. Some posts were deleted by sub moderators(not the same as Reddit staff or Pao) on some subs because they were offtopic and were being vote brigaded and had comments full of hate speech. E.g of posts: http://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/30j9mn/ellen_pao_loses_silicon_valley_gender_bias_case/?ref=search_posts http://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/30j9mn/ellen_pao_loses... http://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/38qkmx/after_losing_her_lawsuit_ellen_pao_demands_27/?ref=search_posts http://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/38qkmx/after_losing_he... It doesn't make any sense why she would leave those posts up if she really was deleting stuff. It's interesting how the folks against her have made it look like she was. It's just sad how easily so many people are manipulated by false information. Examples of comments that were being made and upvoted by the brigades on unrelated big subs: >Somebody needs to fire this whore right fucking now. What a tampon smear... >She's a lying cunt who is using her pussy pass because she didn't get what she wanted; a big pay-out for being a whore. Why would subreddit mods want to deal with hundreds of such comments when the story is offtopic to their sub?

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- ossreality 11y ago
  So much cognitive dissonance in such 4 short lines.
- jfuhrman 11y ago
  The sub had no subscribers, and the only mod and founder of it spammed the name of the sub in another sub, and it was a new account. There are plenty of anti-Pao subs that haven't been banned since months and those actually have subscribers and content being posted.
- freebsdgirl 11y ago
  So do a search on reddit, look to see how much Pao-hate remains that is weeks/months old. It's pretty obvious that this was some BS rumor cooked up by conspiracy theorists.