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Clarification from the Reddit Admins on their announcement post indicate that they're banning subs where moderators either took no action or encouraged organize
by Navarr 11y ago
Clarification from the Reddit Admins on their announcement post indicate that they're banning subs where moderators either took no action or encouraged organized harassment (as in going to other subs or websites and actively harassing the person in question) as opposed to subs that just post awful things about people.
- almaIV 11y agoI'm not sure how much I believe that. I've dealt with reddit's administrators from a moderator side before, and they can just shadowban moderators they don't like. It makes no sense to ban a subreddit for the actions of that subreddit's moderators when they can just remove the moderators that are the issue. I suspect they wanted to ban certain subreddits, and "the subreddit has toxic moderators" is a good reason to give publicly. Nonetheless, they've always had policies for dealing with toxic moderators that don't involve removal of subreddits.
- Navarr 11y agoMore "the entire subreddit is involved in the harassment of users by taking action outside of their subreddit"
- fleitz 11y agoWhy not ban the people organizing these activities rather than the sub? It's a smoke screen for banning ideas.
- lukeschlather 11y agoIf the people organizing the activities are the moderators, how do you ban them without banning the sub?
- fleitz 11y agoBan the moderators but not the subs? Is this some sort of trick physics question? It seems to me to be possible to have this sort of feature in software... it's like a channel in IRC with out an op. Also, how is what the mods were doing not a speech issue? If crimes were committed surely reddit was not negligent in reporting these to authorities?
- girvo 11y agoYou'd think so, but they're banning any new sub that attempts to be a "new" /r/fatpeoplehate -- if it's not about "banning ideas", but "banning behaviour", then I find that somewhat at odds. I think there's a simpler answer: FPH ended up on the front-page of /r/all constantly, and the Imgur staff "doxxing" (I've heard right before they were banned there was something happening regarding harassing the imgur editors outside of Reddit, though I don't know how true it is) was enough to get the admins to pull the plug. If you're monetising a website, and the most active and fasting growing sub on your website (aside from the defaults) is a subreddit dedicated to mocking fat people, I think that may make it a difficult sell.
- toufka 11y agoOr, if you're monetizing a website and one of the largest hosts of your content (imgur) is being actively harassed by a minority of your users, you find a way to mend the insult. It's becoming more clear that Reddit took action specifically because of the Imgur insult, and that makes a lot of sense from a business perspective. But from a wider perspective it looks very focused and targeted - not in a good way.
- girvo 11y ago> Or, if you're monetizing a website and one of the largest hosts of your content (imgur) is being actively harassed by a minority of your users, you find a way to mend the insult. I said exactly as much in my comment?
- PhasmaFelis 11y ago> You'd think so, but they're banning any new sub that attempts to be a "new" /r/fatpeoplehate Is there any reason at all to think that /r/fatpeoplehate5 is not going to be administrated in exactly the same way that /r/fatpeoplehate was?
- EC1 11y agoThere's over 50 subs currently banned.