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I'm all for Strangeloop canceling his talk, however not for reasons of his political leanings, but because i consider Urbit to be nonsense and the way it handle

I'm all for Strangeloop canceling his talk, however not for reasons of his political leanings, but because i consider Urbit to be nonsense and the way it handles itself to be dishonest. That said, this entire conversation has an amazingly suppressive effect on me. This is primarily because i come from east germany, have grown up in its social era until my early teens, and have seen how it changed since the wall fell, and thus consider myself strongly socialist and glad that germany itself still is strongly socialist. I am left. And i find myself under attack for what i consider to be a human-friendly view. I see talk of leftists, the red guard, communists, etc. etc. etc. and find the american internet to be extraordinarily busy painting what i consider to be my political leaning as "terrorist".

sudioStudio64 11y ago
I think it comes from scarcity and changing demographics... there is a very real feel of loss off status and power among the white middle and working class. You are right about the crazy views on socialism and German politics in general.
a8da6b0c91d 11y ago
Please provide one example of a person being fired, or otherwise enduring serious economic consequences, for publicly voicing socialist or communist views. There are none. There are dozens of quite recent examples of rightists or libertarians or traditional Christians enduring serious consequences for free speech. In America we once had the red scare where a witch hunt hit socialists/communists. These days we have the "brown scare" hitting anyone right of Jeb Bush.
- Mithaldu 11y ago
  I'm not very familiar with US politics. When i say attacked, i was primarily talking about the articles talking about strangeloop. (It sounds like you misunderstood me there.) On the other hand, consider how "Obamacare" was attacked, and (if i understood correctly what came out of your country) changed, cut and successfully damaged, thus affecting wide parts of the US population. ( http://www.galen.org/newsletters/changes-to-obamacare-so-far/ http://www.galen.org/newsletters/changes-to-obamacare-so-far... ) Also, i find it a little disingenuous to ask for something and in the same breath declare delivery of such impossible.
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  - a8da6b0c91d 11y ago
    Name one person who was fired for supporting Obamacare. That is the relevant question in relation to your unclear point. I dare say you don't even understand. Name one person who was fired for comments in support of the federal involvement in local police matters in relation to the Treyvon Martin and Michael Brown incidents. The left is in power. The only people getting fired are those in opposition to the left. With regard to your link I don't know whether you're obtuse or spraying squid ink. The topic under discussion is consequences for voicing free speech.
    - Mithaldu 11y ago
      Allow me to quote you: Please provide one example of a person [...] enduring serious economic consequences To be clear here: People are being damaged through anti-left actions without even needing to have voiced anything. Plus, you can't deny that plenty people are trying to get people fired over this. As for this: Name one person who was fired for comments in support of the federal involvement in local police matters in relation to the Treyvon Martin and Michael Brown incidents. The left is in power. What exactly was the federal involvement? What exactly was done that would otherwise not have been done? I do not know the details, and do also not understand how any of that connects to left politics. Please educate me. Edit: I'm sorry for the edits, and i hope you see this post only after i am done editing. One last note on this: The topic under discussion is consequences for voicing free speech. I was answering someone who was asking if people were afraid to speak up on the matter. I am saying, yes, i am, because i see american people who have many listeners brand me indirectly but surprisingly aggressively for my beliefs.
- theorique 11y ago
  The following link is an ongoing set of updates of people who have fallen victim to the so-called "brown scare" - being fired, ostracized, or otherwise penalized for holding right-wing views. It's a lot more pervasive, and has been going on a lot longer than most people think. The Brendan Eich or Pax Dickinson purges are probably the most known to the HN community, but there are many, many more. https://handleshaus.wordpress.com/2013/12/26/bullied-and-badgered-pressured-and-purged/ https://handleshaus.wordpress.com/2013/12/26/bullied-and-bad...

sudioStudio64 11y ago

I think it comes from scarcity and changing demographics... there is a very real feel of loss off status and power among the white middle and working class. You are right about the crazy views on socialism and German politics in general.

a8da6b0c91d 11y ago

Please provide one example of a person being fired, or otherwise enduring serious economic consequences, for publicly voicing socialist or communist views. There are none. There are dozens of quite recent examples of rightists or libertarians or traditional Christians enduring serious consequences for free speech. In America we once had the red scare where a witch hunt hit socialists/communists. These days we have the "brown scare" hitting anyone right of Jeb Bush.

Mithaldu 11y ago
I'm not very familiar with US politics. When i say attacked, i was primarily talking about the articles talking about strangeloop. (It sounds like you misunderstood me there.) On the other hand, consider how "Obamacare" was attacked, and (if i understood correctly what came out of your country) changed, cut and successfully damaged, thus affecting wide parts of the US population. ( http://www.galen.org/newsletters/changes-to-obamacare-so-far/ http://www.galen.org/newsletters/changes-to-obamacare-so-far... ) Also, i find it a little disingenuous to ask for something and in the same breath declare delivery of such impossible.
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- a8da6b0c91d 11y ago
  Name one person who was fired for supporting Obamacare. That is the relevant question in relation to your unclear point. I dare say you don't even understand. Name one person who was fired for comments in support of the federal involvement in local police matters in relation to the Treyvon Martin and Michael Brown incidents. The left is in power. The only people getting fired are those in opposition to the left. With regard to your link I don't know whether you're obtuse or spraying squid ink. The topic under discussion is consequences for voicing free speech.
  - Mithaldu 11y ago
    Allow me to quote you: Please provide one example of a person [...] enduring serious economic consequences To be clear here: People are being damaged through anti-left actions without even needing to have voiced anything. Plus, you can't deny that plenty people are trying to get people fired over this. As for this: Name one person who was fired for comments in support of the federal involvement in local police matters in relation to the Treyvon Martin and Michael Brown incidents. The left is in power. What exactly was the federal involvement? What exactly was done that would otherwise not have been done? I do not know the details, and do also not understand how any of that connects to left politics. Please educate me. Edit: I'm sorry for the edits, and i hope you see this post only after i am done editing. One last note on this: The topic under discussion is consequences for voicing free speech. I was answering someone who was asking if people were afraid to speak up on the matter. I am saying, yes, i am, because i see american people who have many listeners brand me indirectly but surprisingly aggressively for my beliefs.
theorique 11y ago
The following link is an ongoing set of updates of people who have fallen victim to the so-called "brown scare" - being fired, ostracized, or otherwise penalized for holding right-wing views. It's a lot more pervasive, and has been going on a lot longer than most people think. The Brendan Eich or Pax Dickinson purges are probably the most known to the HN community, but there are many, many more. https://handleshaus.wordpress.com/2013/12/26/bullied-and-badgered-pressured-and-purged/ https://handleshaus.wordpress.com/2013/12/26/bullied-and-bad...