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To be fair, neoreactionaries are mostly notable for their startling lack of real-world achievements. Yarvin is exceptional in this regard. (Tunney has disclaime

To be fair, neoreactionaries are mostly notable for their startling lack of real-world achievements. Yarvin is exceptional in this regard. (Tunney has disclaimed "neoreaction" of late.) They tend to have extensive blogging credentials, however. (And are a dab hand with an occasional cheese dip.) edit: if there are others with notable real-world achievements, I will eagerly accept correction.

defen 11y ago
Peter Thiel? I don't think he's ever come out and explicitly said "I am a neoreactionary", but he did say "I no longer believe that freedom and democracy are compatible," and the co-founder of Tlön (company that is making Urbit) is a Thiel fellow.
- davidgerard 11y ago
  I didn't count him as he didn't claim the word "neoreactionary", as cited. Though yeah, his ideas correlate pretty closely.
amcastillo 11y ago
A lot of people who blog on these ideas maintain pseudonyms to prevent Strangeloop-like witch hunts ruining their professional lives. Neoreactionary ideas have been picked up and directly cited by cultural influencers like Ross Douthat, Ed West, and William Gibson, however. They see themselves as a right wing Frankfurt School - not noteworthy for their identities, but for their subtle cultural impact.
- davidgerard 11y ago
  > Frankfurt School - not noteworthy for their identities, but for their subtle cultural impact. ah, the Cultural Marxism conspiracy theory? http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Cultural_Marxism http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Cultural_Marxism um, ok
  - amcastillo 11y ago
    No, the school of social philosophy associated with Carl Grünberg, Max Horkheimer, Theodor W. Adorno, and Herbert Marcuse. Check out Eclipse of Reason, Escape from Freedom, The Structural Transformation of the Public Sphere, and The Theory of Communicative Action when you get a chance. Primary sources and all.
jart 11y ago
Tunney here. I'm not a neoreactionary. I never was. - 2014/05/27: @ReactionaryTree I don’t identify as a neoreactionary. Although I talk to a lot of people who do. https://twitter.com/justinetunney/status/471281445013843968 https://twitter.com/justinetunney/status/471281445013843968 - 2014/05/30: @tesseractiv I don't identify as a neoreactionary. I already had my movement. I don't want to join any others. https://twitter.com/justinetunney/status/472425936692854784 https://twitter.com/justinetunney/status/472425936692854784 - 2014/06/28: @nullvoid9 I'm not a neoreactionary :'( I'm also friendly and will treat you with the same respect you give me. https://twitter.com/justinetunney/status/482757375854522368 https://twitter.com/justinetunney/status/482757375854522368 - 2014/08/04: Who said I was a neoreactionary? I keep telling people I'm not, but no one believes me. http://ask.fm/JustineTunney/answer/116475763475 http://ask.fm/JustineTunney/answer/116475763475 - 2015/01/15: @DurrutiOvercloc Well, most of the things. Like, I’m not pro-slavery. I’ve also never called myself a neoreactionary. https://twitter.com/justinetunney/status/555603973286400000 https://twitter.com/justinetunney/status/555603973286400000 - 2015/03/11: @jhamby @justkelly_ok I'm not a neoreactionary. I've never been one. Also Shanley is a huge racist. https://twitter.com/justinetunney/status/575829516079263744 https://twitter.com/justinetunney/status/575829516079263744
- anon_adderlan 11y ago
  Well, if the mysterious sdfghjkl34567 is to be believed, then you don't get to decide what neoreactionary means, and so don't get to decide if you are one or not as far as others are concerned. On the other hand you did start a petition to turn over government rule to Google, and believe the bottom 1/3 of the population should be live in servants to the top 1/3. What this has to do with neoreactionarism I have no idea, but apparently many people think it's associated. P.S. I'm still not convinced that you're not a troll, but then again I'm not sure if this is not exactly the kind of $#@% that needs to be stirred up.
anon_adderlan 11y ago
> To be fair, neoreactionaries are mostly notable for their startling lack of real-world achievements. That's not fair at all. You make a value judgment by referring to (but not defining) 'real-world achievements' and follow it up with an ad hominem, instead of deconstructing the actual ideas involved. It also makes perfect sense that following any political view radically different from the mainstream will lead to less 'real-world' success, as not only does compromising your politics for success potentially alienate you from your allies, but mainstream society will be actively and deliberately trying to prevent you from achieving that success (and apparently speaking at technical conferences). For example, I would not have been successful in the Roman Empire, Communist Russia, or Nazi Germany unless I was willing to compromise my politics. I'm not exactly successful now because my politics don't precisely line up with the 'mainstream'. But that still says nothing about how ethical or tenable my political stance is.

defen 11y ago

Peter Thiel? I don't think he's ever come out and explicitly said "I am a neoreactionary", but he did say "I no longer believe that freedom and democracy are compatible," and the co-founder of Tlön (company that is making Urbit) is a Thiel fellow.

davidgerard 11y ago
I didn't count him as he didn't claim the word "neoreactionary", as cited. Though yeah, his ideas correlate pretty closely.

amcastillo 11y ago

A lot of people who blog on these ideas maintain pseudonyms to prevent Strangeloop-like witch hunts ruining their professional lives. Neoreactionary ideas have been picked up and directly cited by cultural influencers like Ross Douthat, Ed West, and William Gibson, however. They see themselves as a right wing Frankfurt School - not noteworthy for their identities, but for their subtle cultural impact.

davidgerard 11y ago
> Frankfurt School - not noteworthy for their identities, but for their subtle cultural impact. ah, the Cultural Marxism conspiracy theory? http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Cultural_Marxism http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Cultural_Marxism um, ok
- amcastillo 11y ago
  No, the school of social philosophy associated with Carl Grünberg, Max Horkheimer, Theodor W. Adorno, and Herbert Marcuse. Check out Eclipse of Reason, Escape from Freedom, The Structural Transformation of the Public Sphere, and The Theory of Communicative Action when you get a chance. Primary sources and all.

jart 11y ago

Tunney here. I'm not a neoreactionary. I never was. - 2014/05/27: @ReactionaryTree I don’t identify as a neoreactionary. Although I talk to a lot of people who do. https://twitter.com/justinetunney/status/471281445013843968 https://twitter.com/justinetunney/status/471281445013843968 - 2014/05/30: @tesseractiv I don't identify as a neoreactionary. I already had my movement. I don't want to join any others. https://twitter.com/justinetunney/status/472425936692854784 https://twitter.com/justinetunney/status/472425936692854784 - 2014/06/28: @nullvoid9 I'm not a neoreactionary :'( I'm also friendly and will treat you with the same respect you give me. https://twitter.com/justinetunney/status/482757375854522368 https://twitter.com/justinetunney/status/482757375854522368 - 2014/08/04: Who said I was a neoreactionary? I keep telling people I'm not, but no one believes me. http://ask.fm/JustineTunney/answer/116475763475 http://ask.fm/JustineTunney/answer/116475763475 - 2015/01/15: @DurrutiOvercloc Well, most of the things. Like, I’m not pro-slavery. I’ve also never called myself a neoreactionary. https://twitter.com/justinetunney/status/555603973286400000 https://twitter.com/justinetunney/status/555603973286400000 - 2015/03/11: @jhamby @justkelly_ok I'm not a neoreactionary. I've never been one. Also Shanley is a huge racist. https://twitter.com/justinetunney/status/575829516079263744 https://twitter.com/justinetunney/status/575829516079263744

anon_adderlan 11y ago
Well, if the mysterious sdfghjkl34567 is to be believed, then you don't get to decide what neoreactionary means, and so don't get to decide if you are one or not as far as others are concerned. On the other hand you did start a petition to turn over government rule to Google, and believe the bottom 1/3 of the population should be live in servants to the top 1/3. What this has to do with neoreactionarism I have no idea, but apparently many people think it's associated. P.S. I'm still not convinced that you're not a troll, but then again I'm not sure if this is not exactly the kind of $#@% that needs to be stirred up.

anon_adderlan 11y ago

> To be fair, neoreactionaries are mostly notable for their startling lack of real-world achievements. That's not fair at all. You make a value judgment by referring to (but not defining) 'real-world achievements' and follow it up with an ad hominem, instead of deconstructing the actual ideas involved. It also makes perfect sense that following any political view radically different from the mainstream will lead to less 'real-world' success, as not only does compromising your politics for success potentially alienate you from your allies, but mainstream society will be actively and deliberately trying to prevent you from achieving that success (and apparently speaking at technical conferences). For example, I would not have been successful in the Roman Empire, Communist Russia, or Nazi Germany unless I was willing to compromise my politics. I'm not exactly successful now because my politics don't precisely line up with the 'mainstream'. But that still says nothing about how ethical or tenable my political stance is.