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>But, as an employer, will you completely leave me hanging at a critical time or will you stick a couple of months to complete your task before jumping. And do

>But, as an employer, will you completely leave me hanging at a critical time or will you stick a couple of months to complete your task before jumping. And do you put out a handbook or other disclaimer stating that the employer and employee have zero obligation to each other and can terminate the relationship at any time?

bsder 11y ago
Yes, but I generally also attempt to engage in professional courtesy. And, yes, this goes both ways. If I, as a boss, can see the writing on the wall, I will attempt to protect my employees. While that includes internal protection in a political firefight, it also includes calling up friends at other companies to see if they might have a job for people on my team if I can see that it's going to be ugly. I have also helped usher people out of my company because I simply couldn't get them what they were worth. It's called "being a professional". It's also called "this industry is damn small, don't piss off the good people in it." Sometimes you get caught completely unaware and get sacked without notice, but it's really rare. Most senior people can tell when things are about to get bad generally a month or two in advance--if not more.
- jsprogrammer 11y ago
  If internal, "hidden", policy is different from public, written, policy...the company can go fuck off. Professional courtesy would be telling someone you want/need them for the next X months and making a real commitment to the worker instead of having a public policy of 'no obligations' while secretly expecting the worker to 'be a professional' and to show undue loyalty.
  - bsder 11y ago
    Wow. I hope you never become a manager. It's called "politics". And it occurs when two or more humans get together. There are always hidden agendas, different goals, etc. Learning to navigate it is an essential prerequisite if you want to accomplish something that requires more than your singular individual skill. And, for your information, yes, people like you wind up on the short end of the stick because you ignore politics. People like me get new jobs, better opportunities, advance warning, etc. because I have helped out people in the past. The combinations of being both technically qualified and politically savvy is quite powerful. You don't owe any loyalty to a company, but if you piss off the people, it will bite you in the ass.
    - jsprogrammer 11y ago
      The company should correct its image to reflect reality.

bsder 11y ago

Yes, but I generally also attempt to engage in professional courtesy. And, yes, this goes both ways. If I, as a boss, can see the writing on the wall, I will attempt to protect my employees. While that includes internal protection in a political firefight, it also includes calling up friends at other companies to see if they might have a job for people on my team if I can see that it's going to be ugly. I have also helped usher people out of my company because I simply couldn't get them what they were worth. It's called "being a professional". It's also called "this industry is damn small, don't piss off the good people in it." Sometimes you get caught completely unaware and get sacked without notice, but it's really rare. Most senior people can tell when things are about to get bad generally a month or two in advance--if not more.

jsprogrammer 11y ago
If internal, "hidden", policy is different from public, written, policy...the company can go fuck off. Professional courtesy would be telling someone you want/need them for the next X months and making a real commitment to the worker instead of having a public policy of 'no obligations' while secretly expecting the worker to 'be a professional' and to show undue loyalty.
- bsder 11y ago
  Wow. I hope you never become a manager. It's called "politics". And it occurs when two or more humans get together. There are always hidden agendas, different goals, etc. Learning to navigate it is an essential prerequisite if you want to accomplish something that requires more than your singular individual skill. And, for your information, yes, people like you wind up on the short end of the stick because you ignore politics. People like me get new jobs, better opportunities, advance warning, etc. because I have helped out people in the past. The combinations of being both technically qualified and politically savvy is quite powerful. You don't owe any loyalty to a company, but if you piss off the people, it will bite you in the ass.
  - jsprogrammer 11y ago
    The company should correct its image to reflect reality.