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I'm not sure docker would want to do this or if that's even an appropriate feature to integrate. I'd rather see it supported by vagrant, which would seem an ap

by jkyle 11y ago

I'm not sure docker would want to do this or if that's even an appropriate feature to integrate. I'd rather see it supported by vagrant, which would seem an appropriate tool to manage them with.

acdha 11y ago
Docker has a huge interest in making it easy for the legions of Mac-toting developers to use it easily without first telling you to get complex, fragile external tooling like vagrant or virtualbox working. I doubt it'd go in the mainline product but I'd be shocked if in a year or two there isn't a Docker.app one-stop option which makes it trivial to run popular Linux apps.
- nickstinemates 11y ago
  > I'd be shocked if in a year or two there isn't a Docker.app one-stop option which makes it trivial to run popular Linux apps. That sounds really compelling, and something along the lines of what Kitematic is doing, but even simpler.
  - acdha 11y ago
    Thanks for mentioning Kitematic – I'd forgotten the name but this was my first reaction when I saw their product announcement. It's a nice way to make their product even smoother.
- jkyle 11y ago
  > use it easily without first telling you to get complex, fragile external tooling like vagrant or virtualbox working. I won't get into virtualbox. But I haven't found vagrant very fragile at all since Mitchell moved to omnibus (quite a while back). Most of the issues I had with vagrant were directly related to virtualbox, not vagrant itself. > Docker has a huge interest in making it easy for the legions of Mac-toting developers Well, sort of. They have a product that is inherently linux based. Getting a nice setup working on OS X is pretty trivial, takes a developer maybe a couple of hours one time to have something working.If they use someone else's solution, it takes minutes. Here's an ansible task I use to configure an ubuntu machine[1]. It's all of 24 lines. If you're running it against a VM, you just forward the 2375 port to your host. Then the workflow looks like: vagrant up docker build -t jkyle/awesomeness . Course you can get fancier. Ansible can pull down docker projects using git, build, and run them for you as well. [1] https://gist.github.com/jameskyle/b8e573d63da4dbaaf31a https://gist.github.com/jameskyle/b8e573d63da4dbaaf31a
  - acdha 11y ago
    Yeah, I know many people who use and like vagrant but I've heard a too many people mention it as a major impediment when they were just getting starting. Sure, someone with a bit of sysadmin experience can usually get it working fairly quickly but I've seen entire meetups where 90% of the people used a Linux instance on EC2 rather than try to debug it. Anything which makes that process easier for newcomers is welcome, particularly for non-specialists like front-end specialists, scientists, data-analysts and other technical professionals for whom figuring out a toolchain is a road-block to their job rather than the job itself.

by jkyle 11y ago

I'm not sure docker would want to do this or if that's even an appropriate feature to integrate. I'd rather see it supported by vagrant, which would seem an appropriate tool to manage them with.

acdha 11y ago

Docker has a huge interest in making it easy for the legions of Mac-toting developers to use it easily without first telling you to get complex, fragile external tooling like vagrant or virtualbox working. I doubt it'd go in the mainline product but I'd be shocked if in a year or two there isn't a Docker.app one-stop option which makes it trivial to run popular Linux apps.

nickstinemates 11y ago
> I'd be shocked if in a year or two there isn't a Docker.app one-stop option which makes it trivial to run popular Linux apps. That sounds really compelling, and something along the lines of what Kitematic is doing, but even simpler.
- acdha 11y ago
  Thanks for mentioning Kitematic – I'd forgotten the name but this was my first reaction when I saw their product announcement. It's a nice way to make their product even smoother.
jkyle 11y ago
> use it easily without first telling you to get complex, fragile external tooling like vagrant or virtualbox working. I won't get into virtualbox. But I haven't found vagrant very fragile at all since Mitchell moved to omnibus (quite a while back). Most of the issues I had with vagrant were directly related to virtualbox, not vagrant itself. > Docker has a huge interest in making it easy for the legions of Mac-toting developers Well, sort of. They have a product that is inherently linux based. Getting a nice setup working on OS X is pretty trivial, takes a developer maybe a couple of hours one time to have something working.If they use someone else's solution, it takes minutes. Here's an ansible task I use to configure an ubuntu machine[1]. It's all of 24 lines. If you're running it against a VM, you just forward the 2375 port to your host. Then the workflow looks like: vagrant up docker build -t jkyle/awesomeness . Course you can get fancier. Ansible can pull down docker projects using git, build, and run them for you as well. [1] https://gist.github.com/jameskyle/b8e573d63da4dbaaf31a https://gist.github.com/jameskyle/b8e573d63da4dbaaf31a
- acdha 11y ago
  Yeah, I know many people who use and like vagrant but I've heard a too many people mention it as a major impediment when they were just getting starting. Sure, someone with a bit of sysadmin experience can usually get it working fairly quickly but I've seen entire meetups where 90% of the people used a Linux instance on EC2 rather than try to debug it. Anything which makes that process easier for newcomers is welcome, particularly for non-specialists like front-end specialists, scientists, data-analysts and other technical professionals for whom figuring out a toolchain is a road-block to their job rather than the job itself.