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Well, actually its working out fine atm, thank you :) There even was a article linked here about USA student coming to germany for education this week. It said

by shakyor 11y ago

Well, actually its working out fine atm, thank you :) There even was a article linked here about USA student coming to germany for education this week. It said that most of them stay. Turns out if you spend like 5 of your formative years at one place, you kind of build roots there. So maybe an attractive education system can actually help securing talent. There even was a statement by a german official which roughly said that they are very happy with the current state of affairs, having the international exchange. If things get too out of hand, tuition fees for foreign students will be explored as an option though.

restalis 11y ago
"There even was a article linked here about USA student coming to germany for education this week. It said that most of them stay." So Germany invested by subsidizing some (foreign) students and manages to benefit from the fruits of its own education investment - this is hardly the context I was talking about. I was talking about the case where a country like Germany educates for free its own citizens then they leave for greener pastures. The fact that your government managed to sell you the idea that everything is all right because at least some of the subsidized students (foreign and German) will stay is relevant only to your subjective contentment level. The overall picture can be judged pretty objectively. "Turns out if you spend like 5 of your formative years at one place, you kind of build roots there." These kind of people would probably rooted anywhere, in any condition, as its just a thing in their nature, not something to present as a resulting advantage of a given system. Maybe a small part them came to Germany because of something unique that they couldn't possibly find anywhere else, but I think that most likely the majority came to Germany just because of the prohibitive education costs in their own country. That's to say someone else's education system has a problem (by being unattractive in the current conditions) and that secures you incoming talent now. Just expecting others to continue having problems is not a very solid plan to rely on. I believe that it's possible to design the system a little bit better, where the students that have access to subsidized education may come to feel the education debts only when they try to emigrate (and take away the results of that subsidized education) or some other kind of solution to the leakage of public investment.
- shakyor 11y ago
  But thats exactly what I am saying. The cost for education in the US is prohibitve and so they decide to come to germany. If they find employment most people will stay where they got educated. However, i do not actually think that this the point. Education has always profited heavily from a diverse enviroment, so we do profit from people all over the world coming to us. Besides, not everything is about investment, sometimes a society just has to decide what it values. We also have a really expensive social system. I value this highly and love it when my tax money goes to efforts like this. I mean sure, at the end of the day i probably contribute more than i recieve money wise, but living in a society where i feel comfortable is pretty valuable to me :) Lasty, i think i can objectivly point out, that neither of us is very likely to make any objective statements without getting into heavy citations :)

by shakyor 11y ago

restalis 11y ago

"There even was a article linked here about USA student coming to germany for education this week. It said that most of them stay." So Germany invested by subsidizing some (foreign) students and manages to benefit from the fruits of its own education investment - this is hardly the context I was talking about. I was talking about the case where a country like Germany educates for free its own citizens then they leave for greener pastures. The fact that your government managed to sell you the idea that everything is all right because at least some of the subsidized students (foreign and German) will stay is relevant only to your subjective contentment level. The overall picture can be judged pretty objectively. "Turns out if you spend like 5 of your formative years at one place, you kind of build roots there." These kind of people would probably rooted anywhere, in any condition, as its just a thing in their nature, not something to present as a resulting advantage of a given system. Maybe a small part them came to Germany because of something unique that they couldn't possibly find anywhere else, but I think that most likely the majority came to Germany just because of the prohibitive education costs in their own country. That's to say someone else's education system has a problem (by being unattractive in the current conditions) and that secures you incoming talent now. Just expecting others to continue having problems is not a very solid plan to rely on. I believe that it's possible to design the system a little bit better, where the students that have access to subsidized education may come to feel the education debts only when they try to emigrate (and take away the results of that subsidized education) or some other kind of solution to the leakage of public investment.

shakyor 11y ago
But thats exactly what I am saying. The cost for education in the US is prohibitve and so they decide to come to germany. If they find employment most people will stay where they got educated. However, i do not actually think that this the point. Education has always profited heavily from a diverse enviroment, so we do profit from people all over the world coming to us. Besides, not everything is about investment, sometimes a society just has to decide what it values. We also have a really expensive social system. I value this highly and love it when my tax money goes to efforts like this. I mean sure, at the end of the day i probably contribute more than i recieve money wise, but living in a society where i feel comfortable is pretty valuable to me :) Lasty, i think i can objectivly point out, that neither of us is very likely to make any objective statements without getting into heavy citations :)