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"This is nice! On OSX, processes can be paused and continued too" Every once in a while I am reminded how wonderful, and perhaps unlikely, it is that I have a

by rsync 11y ago

"This is nice! On OSX, processes can be paused and continued too" Every once in a while I am reminded how wonderful, and perhaps unlikely, it is that I have a nice, slick, mass market consumer device (apple computer running OS X) that is honest to god UNIX underneath. And then sad, knowing that this is a brief golden age that will probably pass.

arthurcolle 11y ago
Don't say that... why would Apple change the underlyings of OS X? Blasphemy :(
- schiffern 11y ago
  The precedent is already set. iOS is underlain by the same components, but the end user has no access. We have also seen an incremental approach in the gradual replacement of open APIs/components with closed ones.
- tadfisher 11y ago
  They will when it conflicts with their business model. Witness protected access to media keys and the Notification Center.
bbcbasic 11y ago
Don't worry. Linux is slicker.
- vonklaus 11y ago
  As someone who just switched to Linux from OS X, it is really hard to migrate. I miss the subtleties of the apple ecosystem. Sure Linux is awesome, but I have been battling trackpad support issues, keymapping the super_key to CMD, and just general battling the UX. tl;dr a more powerful operating system with worse UI, which is the obvious trade. A less powerful system with a fantastic UI.
  - aerique 11y ago
    It's a phase. I run into similar issues when using OSX while being used to Linux.
    - xur17 11y ago
      I went through a similar struggle when switching to a Mac about a year ago for work. I still miss the ability to drag windows around from anywhere by holding the alt key, and dragging any part of the window. Never found a good replacement in OSX.
      - vonklaus 11y ago
        haha. You guys must be right. That is the exact functionality that is the most annoying for me right now! I need to get used to this new OS. I miss 3 finger swipe right. ctrl+alt+shift+ [direction] is quite a macro just to move a screen.
        girvo 11y ago
        I personally changed that to be Super+<Arrow> to change virtual desktop, and Super+Shift+<Arrow> to move the focused window to it. Much nicer shortcut, IMO. Elementary OS[0] uses that by default, actually. [0] https://elementary.io/ https://elementary.io/
        aerique 11y ago
        Realize that what you mean with "to get used to this new OS" is possibly "I need to get used to this desktop environment / window manager". I don't know what desktop environment you use but it is possibly Ubuntu's Unity, Gnome or KDE. On Unix you have a lot of choice on the (graphical) interface you chose to interact with. So while to one you're currently using might be OK, there's bound to be one that's even better suited to your needs. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Window_manager https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Window_manager https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desktop_environment https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desktop_environment (Also, it's usually trivial to change your keybindings.)
- PhasmaFelis 11y ago
  Linux is a lot of good things, but "slicker than OS X" (in the sense of basic user-friendliness to the average computer user) is not really one of them.
cookiecaper 11y ago
Many would argue the golden age of OS X and nix compatibility has already passed. The last time I seriously used OS X was 10.4, but every release I hear about another set of nix compatibilities getting chipped away.
- crucini 11y ago
  Could you give some examples please?
Dewie3 11y ago
> New operating systems today tend to be just ways of reimplementing Unix. If they have a novel architecture -- and some do -- the first thing to build is the Unix emulation layer. > How can operating systems research be relevant when the resulting operating systems are all indistinguishable? > There was a claim in the late 1970s and early 1980s that Unix had killed operating systems research because no one would try anything else. At the time, I didn’t believe it. Today, I grudgingly accept that the claim may be true (Microsoft notwithstanding). > A victim of its own success: portability led to ubiquity. That meant architecture didn’t matter, so now there’s only one. Linux is the hot new thing... but it’s just another Unix. http://herpolhode.com/rob/utah2000.pdf http://herpolhode.com/rob/utah2000.pdf

by rsync 11y ago

arthurcolle 11y ago

Don't say that... why would Apple change the underlyings of OS X? Blasphemy :(

schiffern 11y ago
The precedent is already set. iOS is underlain by the same components, but the end user has no access. We have also seen an incremental approach in the gradual replacement of open APIs/components with closed ones.
tadfisher 11y ago
They will when it conflicts with their business model. Witness protected access to media keys and the Notification Center.

bbcbasic 11y ago

Don't worry. Linux is slicker.

vonklaus 11y ago
As someone who just switched to Linux from OS X, it is really hard to migrate. I miss the subtleties of the apple ecosystem. Sure Linux is awesome, but I have been battling trackpad support issues, keymapping the super_key to CMD, and just general battling the UX. tl;dr a more powerful operating system with worse UI, which is the obvious trade. A less powerful system with a fantastic UI.
- aerique 11y ago
  It's a phase. I run into similar issues when using OSX while being used to Linux.
  - xur17 11y ago
    I went through a similar struggle when switching to a Mac about a year ago for work. I still miss the ability to drag windows around from anywhere by holding the alt key, and dragging any part of the window. Never found a good replacement in OSX.
    - vonklaus 11y ago
      haha. You guys must be right. That is the exact functionality that is the most annoying for me right now! I need to get used to this new OS. I miss 3 finger swipe right. ctrl+alt+shift+ [direction] is quite a macro just to move a screen.
      - girvo 11y ago
        I personally changed that to be Super+<Arrow> to change virtual desktop, and Super+Shift+<Arrow> to move the focused window to it. Much nicer shortcut, IMO. Elementary OS[0] uses that by default, actually. [0] https://elementary.io/ https://elementary.io/
      - aerique 11y ago
        Realize that what you mean with "to get used to this new OS" is possibly "I need to get used to this desktop environment / window manager". I don't know what desktop environment you use but it is possibly Ubuntu's Unity, Gnome or KDE. On Unix you have a lot of choice on the (graphical) interface you chose to interact with. So while to one you're currently using might be OK, there's bound to be one that's even better suited to your needs. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Window_manager https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Window_manager https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desktop_environment https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desktop_environment (Also, it's usually trivial to change your keybindings.)
PhasmaFelis 11y ago
Linux is a lot of good things, but "slicker than OS X" (in the sense of basic user-friendliness to the average computer user) is not really one of them.

cookiecaper 11y ago

Many would argue the golden age of OS X and nix compatibility has already passed. The last time I seriously used OS X was 10.4, but every release I hear about another set of nix compatibilities getting chipped away.

crucini 11y ago
Could you give some examples please?

Dewie3 11y ago

> New operating systems today tend to be just ways of reimplementing Unix. If they have a novel architecture -- and some do -- the first thing to build is the Unix emulation layer. > How can operating systems research be relevant when the resulting operating systems are all indistinguishable? > There was a claim in the late 1970s and early 1980s that Unix had killed operating systems research because no one would try anything else. At the time, I didn’t believe it. Today, I grudgingly accept that the claim may be true (Microsoft notwithstanding). > A victim of its own success: portability led to ubiquity. That meant architecture didn’t matter, so now there’s only one. Linux is the hot new thing... but it’s just another Unix. http://herpolhode.com/rob/utah2000.pdf http://herpolhode.com/rob/utah2000.pdf