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1 US city's cops killed more in 5 mos than Iceland has in 71 years

4 points by vonnik 11y ago

paulhauggis 11y ago
Let's add some context: Would an average person from Iceland run from the police, attack and beat them, try to take their guns, or when a police officer stops them will they act like an actual human being and talk to them without the violence? Culture plays a big part. Just look at the Demographics: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Iceland http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Iceland 93% are Icelandic. In the US, many people come here and keep their (sometimes broken) cultures. We are expected to accept these cultures, even if it means more violence, crime, and less freedom for all. In Iceland, you are expected to follow their rules..or leave.
- DanBC 11y ago
  How many people shot by US police are immigrants?
  - ocdtrekkie 11y ago
    Hint: The vast majority of Americans are immigrants.
    - DanBC 11y ago
      Parent post is talking about us and them and I doubt they mean native americans in their "us".
- rmxt 11y ago
  At the same time that you blame the victims of police violence, you fail to make a convincing argument that connects the dots between "minorities exist in a country" and "minorities cause police to shoot people." Throwing together an observation (e.g., one society is more homogeneous than another) with another observation ("the USA is a more violent place than Iceland") really is a Swiss cheese argument. What a whopper. The great part about Iceland (and Scandinavia, and Western Europe, etc.) is that they are able to let you live there, or politely suggest that you leave, without managing to kill you or metaphorically neuter you in the process (a la "visible minorities" in the United States, to use a Canadian term).
Zigurd 11y ago
Pointing out how badly the US treats blacks sure brings out the dog-whistle terms. Of all the recent videos where police violence has been highlighted, have the victims of that violence "run from the police, attack and beat them, try to take their guns?" So, why not stick to what actually happened: unarmed people getting tasered, beaten, and shot, by police. The US has a quality and performance problem with thuggish cops. Even under stress, even when taunted, actually especially in stressful situations should cops not go ape-shit and start screaming obscenities while brandishing guns. It means they have lost control. That kind of person should not be armed. In fact, the vast majority of police work does not require a firearm. We should have many fewer armed police in the first place, and the ones who are armed should be the sort of people who never end up in videos like the ones we have recently seen.

4 points by vonnik 11y ago

Let's add some context: Would an average person from Iceland run from the police, attack and beat them, try to take their guns, or when a police officer stops them will they act like an actual human being and talk to them without the violence? Culture plays a big part. Just look at the Demographics: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Iceland http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Iceland 93% are Icelandic. In the US, many people come here and keep their (sometimes broken) cultures. We are expected to accept these cultures, even if it means more violence, crime, and less freedom for all. In Iceland, you are expected to follow their rules..or leave.

DanBC 11y ago
How many people shot by US police are immigrants?
- ocdtrekkie 11y ago
  Hint: The vast majority of Americans are immigrants.
  - DanBC 11y ago
    Parent post is talking about us and them and I doubt they mean native americans in their "us".
rmxt 11y ago
At the same time that you blame the victims of police violence, you fail to make a convincing argument that connects the dots between "minorities exist in a country" and "minorities cause police to shoot people." Throwing together an observation (e.g., one society is more homogeneous than another) with another observation ("the USA is a more violent place than Iceland") really is a Swiss cheese argument. What a whopper. The great part about Iceland (and Scandinavia, and Western Europe, etc.) is that they are able to let you live there, or politely suggest that you leave, without managing to kill you or metaphorically neuter you in the process (a la "visible minorities" in the United States, to use a Canadian term).

Zigurd 11y ago

Pointing out how badly the US treats blacks sure brings out the dog-whistle terms. Of all the recent videos where police violence has been highlighted, have the victims of that violence "run from the police, attack and beat them, try to take their guns?" So, why not stick to what actually happened: unarmed people getting tasered, beaten, and shot, by police. The US has a quality and performance problem with thuggish cops. Even under stress, even when taunted, actually especially in stressful situations should cops not go ape-shit and start screaming obscenities while brandishing guns. It means they have lost control. That kind of person should not be armed. In fact, the vast majority of police work does not require a firearm. We should have many fewer armed police in the first place, and the ones who are armed should be the sort of people who never end up in videos like the ones we have recently seen.