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Kind of lame how you can't use any of this, or even open it in Visual Studio, unless you have Windows 8.1 installed.

sudioStudio64 11y ago
When you say you can't open it in anything but Windows 8.1...why would that be the case? There are project files for sublime and vs2013 on github...it's just javascript.
- nekitamo 11y ago
  When you try to open the Visual Studio project files, it gives you an error that you need Windows 8.1 installed. That's lame. I'm aware I can open the .js files in a text editor, but that's like saying I could work on a C# project by just editing the .cs files in a text editor. Sure that's possible... but I would rather use the IDE.
  - joe_hoyle 11y ago
    JS is overwhelmingly edited in text editors, see Sublime, Coda, VIM, Emacs. Comparing to C# in this regard is not a good one. I find code completions / intelligence for JavaScript is very basic compared to something like C#.
    - nekitamo 11y ago
      Sure, and I accept that. But I would at the very least like to be able to open these files in Visual Studio and inspect them. It doesn't even let me to that much. It just gives me a lame error message about how I have to upgrade to Windows 8.1.
  - Aleman360 11y ago
    They're dependent on the Windows Runtime API's from Windows 8.1 or 10. You can't use WinJS with Windows 7.
  - sudioStudio64 11y ago
    You know what? I see what you mean. I just found that...it's using a windows store app as a test harness. They should also publish a sample website demo project for the rest of the planet that isn't using 8.1.
ocdtrekkie 11y ago
"It's kinda lame you need an OS made in the last six years at least to run this." Isn't this kind of like asking why Docker doesn't run on a Linux kernel from 2009? Windows 7 is six years old, don't be shocked some of Microsoft's newer things might use newer platforms. Guess it's good they're giving folks a free upgrade.
- nekitamo 11y ago
  Microsoft's big selling point is backwards compatibility with their older OS. Furthermore, according to this source Windows 7 still makes up for the vast majority of Windows installs on consumer desktop computers: http://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=10&qpcustomd=0 http://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.... So it's lame that they're releasing software that doesn't work for the majority of their users, because they're trying to shove Windows 8 down people's throats, which is quite frankly terrible user experience.
  - Stratoscope 11y ago
    That's not what backward compatibility means at all. Of course new versions of Windows introduce new features! If you want to use those new features, you need the new version. Backward compatibility means that once they introduce a feature in one version of Windows, they go to great lengths to keep that feature working in subsequent versions. It doesn't mean they have to backport every new feature into old versions of the OS. Also, Windows 8.1 doesn't have to be a terrible experience. Just get Start8 for $5, or whatever Start menu replacement you like, and you essentially have a much-improved Windows 7.
    - Nadya 11y ago
      My issue is with the stupid charms menu that pops up. Windows allows you to disable it for the top-right corner, but you need to purchase Start8 to remove it from the bottom-right corner. I shouldn't be required to purchase a 3rd party application to tweak a stupid setting easily. Having to code a solution and work with the Windows Registry is hell and something that most people won't bother doing. If your business strategy is "there's a cheap $5 3rd party app that fixes that!" - you deserve to go out of business.

When you say you can't open it in anything but Windows 8.1...why would that be the case? There are project files for sublime and vs2013 on github...it's just javascript.

nekitamo 11y ago
When you try to open the Visual Studio project files, it gives you an error that you need Windows 8.1 installed. That's lame. I'm aware I can open the .js files in a text editor, but that's like saying I could work on a C# project by just editing the .cs files in a text editor. Sure that's possible... but I would rather use the IDE.
- joe_hoyle 11y ago
  JS is overwhelmingly edited in text editors, see Sublime, Coda, VIM, Emacs. Comparing to C# in this regard is not a good one. I find code completions / intelligence for JavaScript is very basic compared to something like C#.
  - nekitamo 11y ago
    Sure, and I accept that. But I would at the very least like to be able to open these files in Visual Studio and inspect them. It doesn't even let me to that much. It just gives me a lame error message about how I have to upgrade to Windows 8.1.
- Aleman360 11y ago
  They're dependent on the Windows Runtime API's from Windows 8.1 or 10. You can't use WinJS with Windows 7.
- sudioStudio64 11y ago
  You know what? I see what you mean. I just found that...it's using a windows store app as a test harness. They should also publish a sample website demo project for the rest of the planet that isn't using 8.1.

ocdtrekkie 11y ago

"It's kinda lame you need an OS made in the last six years at least to run this." Isn't this kind of like asking why Docker doesn't run on a Linux kernel from 2009? Windows 7 is six years old, don't be shocked some of Microsoft's newer things might use newer platforms. Guess it's good they're giving folks a free upgrade.

nekitamo 11y ago
Microsoft's big selling point is backwards compatibility with their older OS. Furthermore, according to this source Windows 7 still makes up for the vast majority of Windows installs on consumer desktop computers: http://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=10&qpcustomd=0 http://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.... So it's lame that they're releasing software that doesn't work for the majority of their users, because they're trying to shove Windows 8 down people's throats, which is quite frankly terrible user experience.
- Stratoscope 11y ago
  That's not what backward compatibility means at all. Of course new versions of Windows introduce new features! If you want to use those new features, you need the new version. Backward compatibility means that once they introduce a feature in one version of Windows, they go to great lengths to keep that feature working in subsequent versions. It doesn't mean they have to backport every new feature into old versions of the OS. Also, Windows 8.1 doesn't have to be a terrible experience. Just get Start8 for $5, or whatever Start menu replacement you like, and you essentially have a much-improved Windows 7.
  - Nadya 11y ago
    My issue is with the stupid charms menu that pops up. Windows allows you to disable it for the top-right corner, but you need to purchase Start8 to remove it from the bottom-right corner. I shouldn't be required to purchase a 3rd party application to tweak a stupid setting easily. Having to code a solution and work with the Windows Registry is hell and something that most people won't bother doing. If your business strategy is "there's a cheap $5 3rd party app that fixes that!" - you deserve to go out of business.