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The amount of time and effort you've put into something has no bearing on its quality, and thus whether it deserves recognition or not. It's absurd to think it

by ebbv 11y ago

The amount of time and effort you've put into something has no bearing on its quality, and thus whether it deserves recognition or not. It's absurd to think it does. > And you'd like to go say what they've made is worthless? It's patently obvious that it's worthless. What possible use does it serve? Morbid curiosity is the best you can say for it. > We should always be charitable to others who've made something, that we may one day be judged by the same measure. I judge my own work by an even less charitable measure than I'm using on TempleOS. > Empathy aside: how many operating systems (kernel + userland) have you written, chummer? This is the most ridiculous/tired response on the face of the earth to all criticism. "How many movies have you made?" "How many hit songs have you written?" The fact that you even think that's a valid response says more about you than me.

angersock 11y ago
So, none then? I've written zero operating systems, and like two userland tools (mostly special-purpose file archiving and packing stuff because I didn't know about tar). Then again, I still have respect for people that have bashed together crappy toy OSs. Most people are worthless (just look at the distribution of wealth on this planet), most art is worthless, etc. etc. If we judged all our actions based on some silly notion of how ultimately worthless they were, we never would've gotten out of the trees because why bother. As my mom used to say, a doodle has a right to be a doodle. Lighten up.
- ebbv 11y ago
  > Most people are worthless (just look at the distribution of wealth on this planet), What? People only have worth if they have money? Are you a sociopath? > As my mom used to say, a doodle has a right to be a doodle. Lighten up. Again your response is a non-sequitur. I'm talking about how we shouldn't give Terry/TempleOS serious attention and you're responding like I'm telling him he doesn't have a right to exist. Those aren't the same things. He can keep writing TempleOS as much as he wants. But I think we as a community are doing a disservice by treating it as if it's anything but what it is. If he was a kid it would be one thing, but he's an adult. He should be told honestly that his creation is terrible. Just like everybody tells Uwe Boll his movies are bad.
  - angersock 11y ago
    To quote you: What possible use does it serve? Morbid curiosity is the best you can say for it. That critique applies to lots of humans, especially those in the third-world working purely at a subsistence level in their own communities and with only insubstantial capital in their ownership. Their dreams will never amount to anything, and the vast majority will never know they even existed. That, incidentally, is why I think that critique is repugnant--whether applied to a person or their work. The fact that you haven't (presumably, though you might just be too shy to admit actual experience) implemented an operating system gives me reason to think you don't actually know what constitutes "terrible". Unless you can list facts and deficiencies of the system compared with others, you're just being parroting an opinion. As for Boll--he actually kinda knows what he's doing: http://www.cinemablend.com/features/Uwe-Boll-Money-For-Nothing-209.html http://www.cinemablend.com/features/Uwe-Boll-Money-For-Nothi... .
    - ebbv 11y ago
      > That critique applies to lots of humans, especially those in the third-world working purely at a subsistence level in their own communities and with only insubstantial capital in their ownership. No, it doesn't. These people have friends and families. The fact that you think your line of reasoning is at all comparable to mine is some kind of problem with your own logic. > The fact that you haven't (presumably, though you might just be too shy to admit actual experience) implemented an operating system gives me reason to think you don't actually know what constitutes "terrible". Unless you can list facts and deficiencies of the system compared with others, you're just being parroting an opinion. Now I'm 100% certain you've got mental issues. I addressed this ridiculous criticism. > As for Boll--he actually kinda knows what he's doing: http://www.cinemablend.com/features/Uwe-Boll-Money-For-Nothi.. http://www.cinemablend.com/features/Uwe-Boll-Money-For-Nothi.... . Again you think money equals worth, and just shows everything that's wrong with your own perspective.
      - dang 11y ago
        > I'm 100% certain you've got mental issues [...] You are not worth my time This is unacceptable in a Hacker News comment. Please comment civilly or not at all. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.
mwcampbell 11y ago
>> Empathy aside: how many operating systems (kernel + userland) have you written, chummer? > This is the most ridiculous/tired response on the face of the earth to all criticism. "How many movies have you made?" "How many hit songs have you written?" Can you explain why it's ridiculous? It seems reasonable to me. Because I haven't created an OS (or movie or hit song), I don't know that I could do any better than anyone I'd want to criticize, so I'm probably better off not criticizing.
argc 11y ago
> It's patently obvious that it's worthless. What possible use does it serve? Morbid curiosity is the best you can say for it. Just curious, how much time have you spent using it? How much of the source have you read? How carefully did you read this article? Because if your answers to those questions are what I think they are, then you're just a dick.

by ebbv 11y ago

angersock 11y ago

So, none then? I've written zero operating systems, and like two userland tools (mostly special-purpose file archiving and packing stuff because I didn't know about tar). Then again, I still have respect for people that have bashed together crappy toy OSs. Most people are worthless (just look at the distribution of wealth on this planet), most art is worthless, etc. etc. If we judged all our actions based on some silly notion of how ultimately worthless they were, we never would've gotten out of the trees because why bother. As my mom used to say, a doodle has a right to be a doodle. Lighten up.

ebbv 11y ago
> Most people are worthless (just look at the distribution of wealth on this planet), What? People only have worth if they have money? Are you a sociopath? > As my mom used to say, a doodle has a right to be a doodle. Lighten up. Again your response is a non-sequitur. I'm talking about how we shouldn't give Terry/TempleOS serious attention and you're responding like I'm telling him he doesn't have a right to exist. Those aren't the same things. He can keep writing TempleOS as much as he wants. But I think we as a community are doing a disservice by treating it as if it's anything but what it is. If he was a kid it would be one thing, but he's an adult. He should be told honestly that his creation is terrible. Just like everybody tells Uwe Boll his movies are bad.
- angersock 11y ago
  To quote you: What possible use does it serve? Morbid curiosity is the best you can say for it. That critique applies to lots of humans, especially those in the third-world working purely at a subsistence level in their own communities and with only insubstantial capital in their ownership. Their dreams will never amount to anything, and the vast majority will never know they even existed. That, incidentally, is why I think that critique is repugnant--whether applied to a person or their work. The fact that you haven't (presumably, though you might just be too shy to admit actual experience) implemented an operating system gives me reason to think you don't actually know what constitutes "terrible". Unless you can list facts and deficiencies of the system compared with others, you're just being parroting an opinion. As for Boll--he actually kinda knows what he's doing: http://www.cinemablend.com/features/Uwe-Boll-Money-For-Nothing-209.html http://www.cinemablend.com/features/Uwe-Boll-Money-For-Nothi... .
  - ebbv 11y ago
    > That critique applies to lots of humans, especially those in the third-world working purely at a subsistence level in their own communities and with only insubstantial capital in their ownership. No, it doesn't. These people have friends and families. The fact that you think your line of reasoning is at all comparable to mine is some kind of problem with your own logic. > The fact that you haven't (presumably, though you might just be too shy to admit actual experience) implemented an operating system gives me reason to think you don't actually know what constitutes "terrible". Unless you can list facts and deficiencies of the system compared with others, you're just being parroting an opinion. Now I'm 100% certain you've got mental issues. I addressed this ridiculous criticism. > As for Boll--he actually kinda knows what he's doing: http://www.cinemablend.com/features/Uwe-Boll-Money-For-Nothi.. http://www.cinemablend.com/features/Uwe-Boll-Money-For-Nothi.... . Again you think money equals worth, and just shows everything that's wrong with your own perspective.
    - dang 11y ago
      > I'm 100% certain you've got mental issues [...] You are not worth my time This is unacceptable in a Hacker News comment. Please comment civilly or not at all. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.

mwcampbell 11y ago

>> Empathy aside: how many operating systems (kernel + userland) have you written, chummer? > This is the most ridiculous/tired response on the face of the earth to all criticism. "How many movies have you made?" "How many hit songs have you written?" Can you explain why it's ridiculous? It seems reasonable to me. Because I haven't created an OS (or movie or hit song), I don't know that I could do any better than anyone I'd want to criticize, so I'm probably better off not criticizing.

argc 11y ago

> It's patently obvious that it's worthless. What possible use does it serve? Morbid curiosity is the best you can say for it. Just curious, how much time have you spent using it? How much of the source have you read? How carefully did you read this article? Because if your answers to those questions are what I think they are, then you're just a dick.