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That you know the charger of your card is the argument that resonates the most with me. That's fair, and a solid reason to use a processor like Stripe - recogni

That you know the charger of your card is the argument that resonates the most with me. That's fair, and a solid reason to use a processor like Stripe - recognizable and near normal processor fees. > "70% of $40 is less than 100% of $0?" This is a terrible, terrible argument for being shoehorned into giving up 30% of your revenue. Stripe (et. al) charge, say, $0.30 + 3%. Add in binary hosting fees and we're at 30%? Again, I understand the CC argument, but this is very much an argument about how I (or someone else) should appreciate your business in whatever form it comes to me, and that's not true. You'll probably want point releases and features and customer support, but for 30% less than a sustainable price. (Note that I'm not allowed to charge 30% more on the MAS to pass on the cost... That's a violation of the MAS developer agreement.)

stephenr 11y ago
> That's fair, and a solid reason to use a processor like Stripe - recognizable and near normal processor fees. As a user I don't get to choose which payment processor a developer uses. > but this is very much an argument about how I (or someone else) should appreciate your business in whatever form it comes to me, and that's not true. You'll probably want point releases and features and customer support, but for 30% less than a sustainable price. You're ignoring the higher likelihood of purchase via the MAS. When I can just click and its purchased without hassle, without issues, you have to deal with a lot less lost sales due to hard/troublesome/scary payment processes. If you don't want to sell on the MAS, thats absolutely your choice as a developer, but you need to recognise that the MAS is a much better experience for buyers than pretty much any other option currently in use. The best case scenario is a seller who has an easy buying workflow, actually handles security correctly, uses a reliable payment processor, and gives me the required licensing information instantly. I've not seen that very often, and even when I do, I'm still left having to manage my license information so I can easily re-install.
- RyanZAG 11y ago
  Obvious solution - put the app up on the mac app store at 30% or so higher cost, and keep it around on Stripe or similar for those who want to buy it for less. Seems win-win.
  - janfoeh 11y ago
    > (Note that I'm not allowed to charge 30% more on the MAS to pass on the cost... That's a violation of the MAS developer agreement.)
    - RyanZAG 11y ago
      Is having some kind of rebate coupon after buying from a different payment processor an option? Or maybe increasing the price by 30% all around, and then throwing in some sort of 'added extra' for people who don't buy through the MAS? Also, I like the MAS even less after learning about this kind of terrible control.
  - stephenr 11y ago
    Apart from breaking the rules for MAS publishing it's also dishonest - it doesn't cost $0 to self-distribute, but no one ever itemises that cost as extra

stephenr 11y ago

> That's fair, and a solid reason to use a processor like Stripe - recognizable and near normal processor fees. As a user I don't get to choose which payment processor a developer uses. > but this is very much an argument about how I (or someone else) should appreciate your business in whatever form it comes to me, and that's not true. You'll probably want point releases and features and customer support, but for 30% less than a sustainable price. You're ignoring the higher likelihood of purchase via the MAS. When I can just click and its purchased without hassle, without issues, you have to deal with a lot less lost sales due to hard/troublesome/scary payment processes. If you don't want to sell on the MAS, thats absolutely your choice as a developer, but you need to recognise that the MAS is a much better experience for buyers than pretty much any other option currently in use. The best case scenario is a seller who has an easy buying workflow, actually handles security correctly, uses a reliable payment processor, and gives me the required licensing information instantly. I've not seen that very often, and even when I do, I'm still left having to manage my license information so I can easily re-install.

RyanZAG 11y ago
Obvious solution - put the app up on the mac app store at 30% or so higher cost, and keep it around on Stripe or similar for those who want to buy it for less. Seems win-win.
- janfoeh 11y ago
  > (Note that I'm not allowed to charge 30% more on the MAS to pass on the cost... That's a violation of the MAS developer agreement.)
  - RyanZAG 11y ago
    Is having some kind of rebate coupon after buying from a different payment processor an option? Or maybe increasing the price by 30% all around, and then throwing in some sort of 'added extra' for people who don't buy through the MAS? Also, I like the MAS even less after learning about this kind of terrible control.
- stephenr 11y ago
  Apart from breaking the rules for MAS publishing it's also dishonest - it doesn't cost $0 to self-distribute, but no one ever itemises that cost as extra