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The problem is it enforces the gender division. While it has good intentions, it's another brick in the wall. Why not try to solve the problem of how to get mo

The problem is it enforces the gender division. While it has good intentions, it's another brick in the wall. Why not try to solve the problem of how to get more diversity at the original GO meeting. => I agree with OP

sago 11y ago
Can you give any evidence for these claims? a) It enforces gender division. Can you say what evidence you have that such groups prevent women from accessing the mixed-gender groups. Or are you merely saying that it is unfair that men don't go to the women's group? b) It is another brick in the wall. Can you say what evidence you have that such groups make it more difficult for women to participate in the workforce, or are otherwise blocked from achieving their potential? Or do you mean that it might make it more difficult for men to access everything they want to? c) "Why not solve the problem" Do you have any evidence that such groups do not contribute to more participation in a community. I'm not a woman, but I've heard similar complaints against LGBT groups. LGB people shouldn't have their club because it excludes straight people, etc. But I can vouch for the fact that such groups form a welcoming platform to enter wider community participation, provide support, and a way of resourcing people who face similar problems in the wider community. Admittedly that's all anecdotal personal experience, but I'd need to see some more concrete evidence that it is counter-productive.
- bbcbasic 11y ago
  a) There is a GO group that 0 or 1 women attend each time, and a new group attending by 12 or so women and 0 men by the looks of things. b) I have used "Brick in the wall" as a more general concept, interpreting the message of the PF songs of the same name. Little and big things that reinforce division in society. They can be independent, but essentially they are linked. c) See stats in (a) What you say about LGBT groups is spot on. LGBT groups are good. A LGBT JQuery group is questionable.
  - sago 11y ago
    a) Doesn't demonstrate that it enforces anything. The evidence is better explained by the fact that more women want to go the latter. Do you understand what enforcing segregation means? b) But for all your generality, you've not given any evidence of such bricks or detrimental effects of such groups. c) Why? Is it any more relevant here? "A LGBT JQuery group is questionable." Thanks for weighing in on that. It's good to know we can count on straight advice for what groups are good and what are questionable.

sago 11y ago

Can you give any evidence for these claims? a) It enforces gender division. Can you say what evidence you have that such groups prevent women from accessing the mixed-gender groups. Or are you merely saying that it is unfair that men don't go to the women's group? b) It is another brick in the wall. Can you say what evidence you have that such groups make it more difficult for women to participate in the workforce, or are otherwise blocked from achieving their potential? Or do you mean that it might make it more difficult for men to access everything they want to? c) "Why not solve the problem" Do you have any evidence that such groups do not contribute to more participation in a community. I'm not a woman, but I've heard similar complaints against LGBT groups. LGB people shouldn't have their club because it excludes straight people, etc. But I can vouch for the fact that such groups form a welcoming platform to enter wider community participation, provide support, and a way of resourcing people who face similar problems in the wider community. Admittedly that's all anecdotal personal experience, but I'd need to see some more concrete evidence that it is counter-productive.

bbcbasic 11y ago
a) There is a GO group that 0 or 1 women attend each time, and a new group attending by 12 or so women and 0 men by the looks of things. b) I have used "Brick in the wall" as a more general concept, interpreting the message of the PF songs of the same name. Little and big things that reinforce division in society. They can be independent, but essentially they are linked. c) See stats in (a) What you say about LGBT groups is spot on. LGBT groups are good. A LGBT JQuery group is questionable.
- sago 11y ago
  a) Doesn't demonstrate that it enforces anything. The evidence is better explained by the fact that more women want to go the latter. Do you understand what enforcing segregation means? b) But for all your generality, you've not given any evidence of such bricks or detrimental effects of such groups. c) Why? Is it any more relevant here? "A LGBT JQuery group is questionable." Thanks for weighing in on that. It's good to know we can count on straight advice for what groups are good and what are questionable.