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What? Do you realize how far Java reaches into the enterprise? And with Swift's focus still being around the walled garden of iOS/OSX development, even with t

by thebouv 11y ago

What? Do you realize how far Java reaches into the enterprise? And with Swift's focus still being around the walled garden of iOS/OSX development, even with the open sourcing there are many more "IFs" to achieve before Swift rivals Java in adoption. Don't get me wrong. I don't use Java and I have made apps for iOS (though not with Swift yet unfortunately). I like Swift and intend on trying it. But rivaling Java? Certainly no time soon.

melling 11y ago
Yes, I've done Java in the enterprise. It's a 20 year old language and there's an estimated 9 million Java developers. Swift is only one1 but with open source and cross-platform ability (Microsoft will port to Windows), I think we have several million Swift developers with 5 years. [Update] 30 -> 20
- zak_mc_kracken 11y ago
  > It's a 30 year old language 20.
- pivo 11y ago
  As much as I like Swift, without real garbage collection I wouldn't want to use it an any enterprise project. Keeping track of ownership of reference counted objects shared between who knows how many other objects sounds like a nightmare.
  - donarb 11y ago
    There's nothing to keep track of, all reference counting is handled through ARC which is built in to the compiler.
    - pivo 11y ago
      I'm referring to cases where you have to use unowned, etc, to break reference cycles. The larger the application the harder it is to find these issues.