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I'm so glad I finally have an alternative to Spotify. They removed staring, apps, and filtering. Their radio is abysmal (almost as bad as Pandora). What I'd re

I'm so glad I finally have an alternative to Spotify. They removed staring, apps, and filtering. Their radio is abysmal (almost as bad as Pandora). What I'd really like to see is a radio feature that plays songs that sound like the song you requested. What all these algorithms seem todo is play songs that other people listened to after or before the song you requested. Or they just play something in the same genre. Genres are kind of dead now, so it doesn't make sense to recommend songs this way. Why not suggest songs with similar guitar riffs? Why not suggest songs with artists that have similar voices?

jessriedel 11y ago
> What I'd really like to see is a radio feature that plays songs that sound like the song you requested. Isn't this exactly what Pandora does? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_Genome_Project https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_Genome_Project
- felixgallo 11y ago
  It's also what spotify does. On a song, in the menu, choose to start a radio station from that song.
- archagon 11y ago
  How I wish they would open up that API. It would be so cool to search for music based on attributes, as in "give me a song in minor, with an electric guitar lead, with a virtuosic guitar solo, with female vocals, and with electronic instruments". You can kind of do that now by Googling the Spotify keywords, but it's not perfect. And what if you could create a custom radio based on attributes? Even better! I fear that if Pandora ever goes away, this immense collection of musical knowledge will go with it.
  - hamburglar 11y ago
    http://acousticbrainz.org/ http://acousticbrainz.org/ It's a start. I don't think you can query it on specific attributes like that yet.
- ryanSrich 11y ago
  That's what they advertise but based on my experience (I used Pandora for years in college) it's quite a ways off.
  - jessriedel 11y ago
    OK but you said > What all these algorithms seem todo is play songs that other people listened to after or before the song you requested. Or they just play something in the same genre. and I am pretty sure that, under the hood, this is not what they are doing. They really are using individual attributes about the song (e.g., tenor vocalist, minimalism, heavy distortion, etc.) to try and find something that sounds the same. So I think your real complaint is "I don't think the algorithms are good enough yet, even though they are trying to do exactly what I want".
  - jfb 11y ago
    The problem is that it is very expensive for Pandora to onboard new content, as compared to a pure recommendation engine approach. They'll never have the depth of catalog to make it anything more than a curiosity.
cheald 11y ago
Google Music does this pretty well for me. The one issue I have with it is that their radio selections will repeat songs, but there's a "reroll this station" button that builds a new playlist on demand.

jessriedel 11y ago

> What I'd really like to see is a radio feature that plays songs that sound like the song you requested. Isn't this exactly what Pandora does? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_Genome_Project https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_Genome_Project

felixgallo 11y ago
It's also what spotify does. On a song, in the menu, choose to start a radio station from that song.
archagon 11y ago
How I wish they would open up that API. It would be so cool to search for music based on attributes, as in "give me a song in minor, with an electric guitar lead, with a virtuosic guitar solo, with female vocals, and with electronic instruments". You can kind of do that now by Googling the Spotify keywords, but it's not perfect. And what if you could create a custom radio based on attributes? Even better! I fear that if Pandora ever goes away, this immense collection of musical knowledge will go with it.
- hamburglar 11y ago
  http://acousticbrainz.org/ http://acousticbrainz.org/ It's a start. I don't think you can query it on specific attributes like that yet.
ryanSrich 11y ago
That's what they advertise but based on my experience (I used Pandora for years in college) it's quite a ways off.
- jessriedel 11y ago
  OK but you said > What all these algorithms seem todo is play songs that other people listened to after or before the song you requested. Or they just play something in the same genre. and I am pretty sure that, under the hood, this is not what they are doing. They really are using individual attributes about the song (e.g., tenor vocalist, minimalism, heavy distortion, etc.) to try and find something that sounds the same. So I think your real complaint is "I don't think the algorithms are good enough yet, even though they are trying to do exactly what I want".
- jfb 11y ago
  The problem is that it is very expensive for Pandora to onboard new content, as compared to a pure recommendation engine approach. They'll never have the depth of catalog to make it anything more than a curiosity.

cheald 11y ago

Google Music does this pretty well for me. The one issue I have with it is that their radio selections will repeat songs, but there's a "reroll this station" button that builds a new playlist on demand.