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"Which opinions are disqualifying and should be no platformed? Don't worry, I know them when I see them." That's comforting.

tptacek 11y ago
I understand what you're saying and I can live with your discomfort.
- yebyen 11y ago
  I can live with his discomfort too (tbh), but the fact remains a lot of people are saying "Urbit is finished as a project after this" and they may be right; but even if Yarvin is a huge racist and deserves to be no-platformed (which, at least to my satisfaction, is not established), Urbit is now bigger than him, and it has been for near two years. There are other contributors and they are tangibly harmed by this action, now and in the future. I think they will get over it. But I would guesstimate that overwhelmingly most of them are not interested in Moldbug or his politics, and they (we?) are also casualties of this shitstorm. Please don't forget about it.
  - tptacek 11y ago
    What does "no-platformed" mean? Invitation to a private conference is not like academic tenure. It's done at the pleasure of the conference organizers. This one chose not to open their venue to Yarvin. Even Yarvin doesn't seem too alarmed. I think a lot of this is just people want their drama fix. (There's a different pathology that makes me want to write about it. I'm aware, it doesn't need to be pointed out, but thanks in advance.)
    - yebyen 11y ago
      I am talking about SK, who has never attended strangeloop and admits he did not have any plans to go this year either, who was literally shouting "no platform for fascists" from his twitter account in the immediate time prior to the publicizing of the news of un-invitation. That's what it means. Not just him, of course, but por ejemplo, and since you asked. If we ever do see Curtis invited to speak at any more conferences, I think we can also expect a repeat performance from the internet mobs.
      - tptacek 11y ago
        If that's true, that wasn't a great thing for him to have done. Later: a cursory look at Klabnik's feed suggests it's likely to be true. Again: not a great thing for Klabnik to have done.
        steveklabnik 11y ago
        I said that I have not been to Strangeloop before, but that's because it's scheduled during the busiest conference weekend of the year, and I historically always have conflicts. This year, I have a conference that overlaps the first day, and am trying to decide if I can make it work.
        amcastillo 11y ago
        Doesn't change the fact that you inserted your radical politics into a technical event that you were not planning to attend. You are the fascist here, Steve.
        tptacek 11y ago
        Personal attacks are unwelcome on HN. I think I actually agree with the substance of your argument, but you made it repellent by phrasing it that way.
        yebyen 11y ago
        I am not upset. The Urbit folks have hit the repos with renewed vigor, and more people are talking Urbit on Twitter this week than in the 10-20 prior weeks combined. If you're pleased with the outcome too, then we're both glad.

tptacek 11y ago

I understand what you're saying and I can live with your discomfort.

yebyen 11y ago
I can live with his discomfort too (tbh), but the fact remains a lot of people are saying "Urbit is finished as a project after this" and they may be right; but even if Yarvin is a huge racist and deserves to be no-platformed (which, at least to my satisfaction, is not established), Urbit is now bigger than him, and it has been for near two years. There are other contributors and they are tangibly harmed by this action, now and in the future. I think they will get over it. But I would guesstimate that overwhelmingly most of them are not interested in Moldbug or his politics, and they (we?) are also casualties of this shitstorm. Please don't forget about it.
- tptacek 11y ago
  What does "no-platformed" mean? Invitation to a private conference is not like academic tenure. It's done at the pleasure of the conference organizers. This one chose not to open their venue to Yarvin. Even Yarvin doesn't seem too alarmed. I think a lot of this is just people want their drama fix. (There's a different pathology that makes me want to write about it. I'm aware, it doesn't need to be pointed out, but thanks in advance.)
  - yebyen 11y ago
    I am talking about SK, who has never attended strangeloop and admits he did not have any plans to go this year either, who was literally shouting "no platform for fascists" from his twitter account in the immediate time prior to the publicizing of the news of un-invitation. That's what it means. Not just him, of course, but por ejemplo, and since you asked. If we ever do see Curtis invited to speak at any more conferences, I think we can also expect a repeat performance from the internet mobs.
    - tptacek 11y ago
      If that's true, that wasn't a great thing for him to have done. Later: a cursory look at Klabnik's feed suggests it's likely to be true. Again: not a great thing for Klabnik to have done.
      - steveklabnik 11y ago
        I said that I have not been to Strangeloop before, but that's because it's scheduled during the busiest conference weekend of the year, and I historically always have conflicts. This year, I have a conference that overlaps the first day, and am trying to decide if I can make it work.
        amcastillo 11y ago
        Doesn't change the fact that you inserted your radical politics into a technical event that you were not planning to attend. You are the fascist here, Steve.
        tptacek 11y ago
        Personal attacks are unwelcome on HN. I think I actually agree with the substance of your argument, but you made it repellent by phrasing it that way.
        yebyen 11y ago
        I am not upset. The Urbit folks have hit the repos with renewed vigor, and more people are talking Urbit on Twitter this week than in the 10-20 prior weeks combined. If you're pleased with the outcome too, then we're both glad.