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They exist and are psychogenic. The nervous system, directed by the brain, can induce localized inflammation.

greggman 11y ago
I know it's just my own anecdotes but I find that really hard to believe given how painful my back pain has been. It was so painful once and lasted for about a week that I seriously considered that I would end my life if the doctor told me there was nothing they could do. For me, at least recently, the trigger seems to be lifting something heavy and wrong way. It doesn't hurt that day but the next day I literally can't move in certain directions without searing pain. Just turning in bed, getting in or out of bed, getting in or out of a car, walking, using the toilet, sitting down or getting up, all of it hurt. The doctor claimed it was muscle spasms. She gave me some muscle relaxants and it went away. I've since try to work out more. I haven't had an episode in a while but I can't sleep on my stomach like I used to as curving my back that way has been known to trigger it.
- abandonliberty 11y ago
  [0]http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Anecdotal_evidence http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Anecdotal_evidence [1]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tension_myositis_syndrome#Medical_evidence http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tension_myositis_syndrome#Medic... The claim here is that a significant proportion of these illnesses are psychogenic; even if your anecdote was convincing it would do nothing to challenge the original argument, as you could easily be part of the 47%[1]. Furthermore, you base your conclusion on the severity of pain you experienced, in your opinion, being beyond what's possible for a psychogenic illness. You don't offer evidence to support this opinion, and, as there are many types of psychological distress that drive people to ending their own lives, I find it unconvincing. In any case, I hope you keep an open mind and find an effective way to manage and improve your health. The lifts recommended in other parts of this conversation might be more in line with your values.
berntb 11y ago
After a few decades in a chair, doctors talk about bone spurs etc on my upper spine. Is that just mental effects on the X-ray machine, which needs its attitude readjusted with a heavy wrench? :-)
mhurron 11y ago
So basically yes, you are saying they do not exist, because if tissue damage or fategue don't show up in an X-ray (they won't) it must be being created by the person themselves. Next time you get a pulled muscle, just drink some tea and calm down, it didn't really happen, you're just too stressed.
- a8da6b0c91d 11y ago
  A pulled muscle will heal up in a couple weeks. We're talking about chronic pain lasting many months or years.

I know it's just my own anecdotes but I find that really hard to believe given how painful my back pain has been. It was so painful once and lasted for about a week that I seriously considered that I would end my life if the doctor told me there was nothing they could do. For me, at least recently, the trigger seems to be lifting something heavy and wrong way. It doesn't hurt that day but the next day I literally can't move in certain directions without searing pain. Just turning in bed, getting in or out of bed, getting in or out of a car, walking, using the toilet, sitting down or getting up, all of it hurt. The doctor claimed it was muscle spasms. She gave me some muscle relaxants and it went away. I've since try to work out more. I haven't had an episode in a while but I can't sleep on my stomach like I used to as curving my back that way has been known to trigger it.

abandonliberty 11y ago
[0]http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Anecdotal_evidence http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Anecdotal_evidence [1]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tension_myositis_syndrome#Medical_evidence http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tension_myositis_syndrome#Medic... The claim here is that a significant proportion of these illnesses are psychogenic; even if your anecdote was convincing it would do nothing to challenge the original argument, as you could easily be part of the 47%[1]. Furthermore, you base your conclusion on the severity of pain you experienced, in your opinion, being beyond what's possible for a psychogenic illness. You don't offer evidence to support this opinion, and, as there are many types of psychological distress that drive people to ending their own lives, I find it unconvincing. In any case, I hope you keep an open mind and find an effective way to manage and improve your health. The lifts recommended in other parts of this conversation might be more in line with your values.

berntb 11y ago

After a few decades in a chair, doctors talk about bone spurs etc on my upper spine. Is that just mental effects on the X-ray machine, which needs its attitude readjusted with a heavy wrench? :-)

mhurron 11y ago

So basically yes, you are saying they do not exist, because if tissue damage or fategue don't show up in an X-ray (they won't) it must be being created by the person themselves. Next time you get a pulled muscle, just drink some tea and calm down, it didn't really happen, you're just too stressed.

a8da6b0c91d 11y ago
A pulled muscle will heal up in a couple weeks. We're talking about chronic pain lasting many months or years.