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@ColinWright, can you help out with following text from the article? Just don't want to miss out on the inner meaning of the message from father to son. Many th

@ColinWright, can you help out with following text from the article? Just don't want to miss out on the inner meaning of the message from father to son. Many thanks! > "I'm sorry. Tha wain't say nowt to thi mam nar, will tha? This is just between us men."

JonnieCache 11y ago
The main one to get is "tha" and "thi" which are various pronunciations of "thee." Archaiac pronouns, "thee," "thou" etc are still used in various english regional dialects. When I was a kid in the south west I used to hear people say "About she-high" or "about yay (yea?) high" when gesturing to approximate the size of an object.
- arethuza 11y ago
  "ye" for you is fairly common in some Scots dialects e.g. "far ye gan?" - "Where are you going?"
- douche 11y ago
  "About yay high" is a pretty common expression in New England, especially the more isolated parts
  - selimthegrim 11y ago
    I certainly heard it, and I grew up in a large Midwestern city...
mapt 11y ago
"You won't say anything to your mom now, will you?"
pjc50 11y ago
Tha = thee, the familiar form of "you". "Only thee-thou's them as thee-thou's you": family and close friends only. This is dying out. I recall my Yorkshire grandmother using it, but only intermittently. wain't = won't nar = now These are both on the other side of a vowel shift. Nowt = nothing. This is a bit of dialect that's still alive, partly due to its use in the TV advertising slogan "Bread wi' Nowt Taken Out". TV and the class system have long worked against UK regional accents and dialect.
- raverbashing 11y ago
  Just a quick note, I thought this was all the same thing, as it was on the same line, but now I see the split "wain't = won't nar = now" wain't = won't nar = now
  - psykovsky 11y ago
    I only got it after reading your comment. Thanks.
- topynate 11y ago
  The idea that the old thou/you distinction is finally dying out for good at the start of the 21st century genuinely upsets me.
- rahoulb 11y ago
  I live in Leeds now, but grew up in Nottingham (70 miles south, also coal-mining country) and we said "owt" and "nowt" - but pronounced like "oat", not "out". Also your stereotypical Yorkshire would shorten "the" to "t'" (going down t'pit) - we would drop it completely "guin' dahn pit". Sometimes I reckon Yorkshire folks think I'm taking the piss the way I say things.
  - tragomaskhalos 11y ago
    I was at Uni with a bloke from Burnley, and he used to say "obbat" and "nobbat" (for "owt" and "nowt" respectively), although I've never heard them since.
- kps 11y ago
  nowt = naught
ColinWright 11y ago
I've put a more complete translation of the non-standard English bits here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9678231 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9678231

JonnieCache 11y ago

The main one to get is "tha" and "thi" which are various pronunciations of "thee." Archaiac pronouns, "thee," "thou" etc are still used in various english regional dialects. When I was a kid in the south west I used to hear people say "About she-high" or "about yay (yea?) high" when gesturing to approximate the size of an object.

arethuza 11y ago
"ye" for you is fairly common in some Scots dialects e.g. "far ye gan?" - "Where are you going?"
douche 11y ago
"About yay high" is a pretty common expression in New England, especially the more isolated parts
- selimthegrim 11y ago
  I certainly heard it, and I grew up in a large Midwestern city...

mapt 11y ago

"You won't say anything to your mom now, will you?"

pjc50 11y ago

Tha = thee, the familiar form of "you". "Only thee-thou's them as thee-thou's you": family and close friends only. This is dying out. I recall my Yorkshire grandmother using it, but only intermittently. wain't = won't nar = now These are both on the other side of a vowel shift. Nowt = nothing. This is a bit of dialect that's still alive, partly due to its use in the TV advertising slogan "Bread wi' Nowt Taken Out". TV and the class system have long worked against UK regional accents and dialect.

raverbashing 11y ago
Just a quick note, I thought this was all the same thing, as it was on the same line, but now I see the split "wain't = won't nar = now" wain't = won't nar = now
- psykovsky 11y ago
  I only got it after reading your comment. Thanks.
topynate 11y ago
The idea that the old thou/you distinction is finally dying out for good at the start of the 21st century genuinely upsets me.
rahoulb 11y ago
I live in Leeds now, but grew up in Nottingham (70 miles south, also coal-mining country) and we said "owt" and "nowt" - but pronounced like "oat", not "out". Also your stereotypical Yorkshire would shorten "the" to "t'" (going down t'pit) - we would drop it completely "guin' dahn pit". Sometimes I reckon Yorkshire folks think I'm taking the piss the way I say things.
- tragomaskhalos 11y ago
  I was at Uni with a bloke from Burnley, and he used to say "obbat" and "nobbat" (for "owt" and "nowt" respectively), although I've never heard them since.
kps 11y ago
nowt = naught

ColinWright 11y ago

I've put a more complete translation of the non-standard English bits here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9678231 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9678231