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food only effects mental abilities when they are extremely deficient in them, which is virtually impossible in the united states. it may not fit your world vie

by autokad 11y ago

food only effects mental abilities when they are extremely deficient in them, which is virtually impossible in the united states. it may not fit your world view, but even junk food isn't going to destroy their brains - i grew up on junk food. it really just comes down to one thing: valuing education. most people who are poor don't value education, and those values are passed on to children. these types of studies are dangerous because they measure one thing (poverty) and try to garner one outcome from it and suggest claims of causation.

krohling 11y ago
Education's financial value is only seen over long time scales, i.e. It takes many years to finish your degree and start making money with it. When you have been living your whole life paycheck to paycheck and the timescales you're used to are weeks and months, things like dedicating years to a degree simply feel out of reach and not worth consideration. My point is, even if families with low SES don't "value education" as you've described it, it doesn't mean it's something within their control.
- autokad 11y ago
  yes, it takes many years to harvest the value of education, it is moot point to argue that they choose to ignore the benefits regardless of what is going on around them. the point is, just because they don't have access to trader does doesn't ruin them. their genetics probably don't make them stupid, and what ever umpteen dozen excuses you can come up with does not permanently seal their fate in a class. what does change things is valuing education. being born poor is usually the situation of people prior making bad decisions, most usually not valuing long term benefits such as education. staying poor is continuing those beliefs. and it is totally within their control. it doesnt sit well with many, because its hard to believe people cant be fixed, that they have to fix themselves. its hard to believe that people in a bad situation need to start making better decisions for themselves. its hard to believe this isn't something this can be fixed by throwing more money at bad, by taxing more, etc etc in many places, this isnt always true. In the Philippines for example, you can value education all you want but opportunities are rare. but not in the US, there are ample opportunities for those who want to take them, and now with the internet it is even easier for those to find the resources they need.
unclebucknasty 11y ago
>it really just comes down to one thing: When this phrase prefaces an explantion for something as complex as poverty and its effects, what follows is virtually guaranteed to be a short-sighted oversimplification. And, so it was. What's actually dangerous is the tendency of some to make dismissive moral judgments about those who find themselves in unfortunate life circumstances. To ignore the cyclical, systemic, and even endemic nature of poverty and suggest that it can all be overcome if the impoverished would only decide to value education is ridiculous on its face.
- angdis 11y ago
  Right on. And this is why attempts to eliminate poverty fail. Poverty itself is not "one thing" nor is there any one cause for it, nor is there any one solution.

by autokad 11y ago

krohling 11y ago

Education's financial value is only seen over long time scales, i.e. It takes many years to finish your degree and start making money with it. When you have been living your whole life paycheck to paycheck and the timescales you're used to are weeks and months, things like dedicating years to a degree simply feel out of reach and not worth consideration. My point is, even if families with low SES don't "value education" as you've described it, it doesn't mean it's something within their control.

autokad 11y ago
yes, it takes many years to harvest the value of education, it is moot point to argue that they choose to ignore the benefits regardless of what is going on around them. the point is, just because they don't have access to trader does doesn't ruin them. their genetics probably don't make them stupid, and what ever umpteen dozen excuses you can come up with does not permanently seal their fate in a class. what does change things is valuing education. being born poor is usually the situation of people prior making bad decisions, most usually not valuing long term benefits such as education. staying poor is continuing those beliefs. and it is totally within their control. it doesnt sit well with many, because its hard to believe people cant be fixed, that they have to fix themselves. its hard to believe that people in a bad situation need to start making better decisions for themselves. its hard to believe this isn't something this can be fixed by throwing more money at bad, by taxing more, etc etc in many places, this isnt always true. In the Philippines for example, you can value education all you want but opportunities are rare. but not in the US, there are ample opportunities for those who want to take them, and now with the internet it is even easier for those to find the resources they need.

unclebucknasty 11y ago

>it really just comes down to one thing: When this phrase prefaces an explantion for something as complex as poverty and its effects, what follows is virtually guaranteed to be a short-sighted oversimplification. And, so it was. What's actually dangerous is the tendency of some to make dismissive moral judgments about those who find themselves in unfortunate life circumstances. To ignore the cyclical, systemic, and even endemic nature of poverty and suggest that it can all be overcome if the impoverished would only decide to value education is ridiculous on its face.

angdis 11y ago
Right on. And this is why attempts to eliminate poverty fail. Poverty itself is not "one thing" nor is there any one cause for it, nor is there any one solution.