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I think "Software Engineer" is just a title given by a place of employment. However, for those who genuinely believe themselves "Software Engineers" I would ask

by j_m_b 11y ago

I think "Software Engineer" is just a title given by a place of employment. However, for those who genuinely believe themselves "Software Engineers" I would ask: What was the outside institute that certified your software engineering program? What professional exams did you take in order to be licensed as a software engineer?

intortus 11y ago
Sorry, I meant to say software architect.
- iancackett 11y ago
  That's a great point, and one of the reasons I was originally taught it isn't "engineering", strictly. I think we do a lot of what counts as engineering. But, you're right, we aren't formally certified as an engineer. Perhaps that (and the required rigour) will change.
  - walshemj 11y ago
    It depends you can jump trough the hoops to get Ceng status but the one of the problems is the BCS/IEEE keep changing the goal posts for those going the industry experience route The other bigger elephant is what in it for me what have the BCS / IEEE actually done anything to improve the status of engineers. In the UK Jeremy Clarkson's 1 hour documentary on Brunel has probably done more for the profile of engineers than the IEEE has done in the last 25 years.
Dewie3 11y ago
I hear those siege engineers during the Napoleonic Wars didn't have any certified licenses either. The gall of some people.
quonn 11y ago
Speaking for Germany, an engineer will simply have a university degree. There is no additional exam. Similarly, most software developers will also have a university degree. The term is actually regulated by law and it depends on the country and sometimes on the state. In Bavaria, for example, in order to call yourself a software engineer (or, for that matter, any kind of engineer), you need to have studied a STE(M) subject for at least three years, at a university or similar [0]. [0] http://www.gesetze-bayern.de/jportal/portal/page/bsbayprod.psml?showdoccase=1&doc.id=jlr-IngGBYrahmen&doc.part=X http://www.gesetze-bayern.de/jportal/portal/page/bsbayprod.p...

by j_m_b 11y ago

intortus 11y ago

Sorry, I meant to say software architect.

iancackett 11y ago
That's a great point, and one of the reasons I was originally taught it isn't "engineering", strictly. I think we do a lot of what counts as engineering. But, you're right, we aren't formally certified as an engineer. Perhaps that (and the required rigour) will change.
- walshemj 11y ago
  It depends you can jump trough the hoops to get Ceng status but the one of the problems is the BCS/IEEE keep changing the goal posts for those going the industry experience route The other bigger elephant is what in it for me what have the BCS / IEEE actually done anything to improve the status of engineers. In the UK Jeremy Clarkson's 1 hour documentary on Brunel has probably done more for the profile of engineers than the IEEE has done in the last 25 years.

Dewie3 11y ago

I hear those siege engineers during the Napoleonic Wars didn't have any certified licenses either. The gall of some people.

quonn 11y ago

Speaking for Germany, an engineer will simply have a university degree. There is no additional exam. Similarly, most software developers will also have a university degree. The term is actually regulated by law and it depends on the country and sometimes on the state. In Bavaria, for example, in order to call yourself a software engineer (or, for that matter, any kind of engineer), you need to have studied a STE(M) subject for at least three years, at a university or similar [0]. [0] http://www.gesetze-bayern.de/jportal/portal/page/bsbayprod.psml?showdoccase=1&doc.id=jlr-IngGBYrahmen&doc.part=X http://www.gesetze-bayern.de/jportal/portal/page/bsbayprod.p...