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"Do you want to sell sugared water for the rest of your life?" - looks like Indra Nooyi doesn't.

by dubbel 11y ago

UnoriginalGuy 11y ago
They said healthier, not healthy. Most "healthier alternatives" are still "sugared water" they are just lower in sugar and higher in artificial flavorants than the typical sodas (Dr. P, Coca Cola, Pepsi, etc). Honestly I really want to see a push to lower acidity in drinks. They seriously should start putting that on the bottle and talking about it. Acid drinks are a major health crisis that nobody talks about.
- jessaustin 11y ago
  Acidity is bad for teeth, particularly in locations without fluoridated municipal water. Is acidity implicated in any other health problems?
  - ch4s3 11y ago
    Maybe super indirectly heart disease, as tooth decay and gum disease are linked to heart disease... but that's a stretch.
  - thomas943 11y ago
    I don't know about acidity, but fluoride has been implicated in many health problems. Here's a list of peer reviewed studies: http://fluoridealert.org/studytracker/?effect=&type=reviews&start_year=&end_year=&show=10&fulltext=&fantranslation= http://fluoridealert.org/studytracker/?effect=&type=reviews&...
    - jschwartzi 11y ago
      In spite of that, it's still nice to not have had any dental fillings or major dental work by the time I turn 30. This will be different from both of my parents. I think I'm happy to trade a minor increase in some other risks for the ability to eat without pain.
      - juliangregorian 11y ago
        Cool anecdote, but you know what would be even better? If we had a choice.
        TazeTSchnitzel 11y ago
        You do have a choice. If fluoride scares you so much, stop brushing your teeth and buy a water filter. Oh, and eat a diet that has no carbohydrates in it.
        juliangregorian 11y ago
        Cute answer, but I, along with the entire non-toddler population, don't ingest toothpaste. HN's propensity for "don't like it? Just buy this gadget/start your own company/move to Somalia"-style rhetoric also makes an appearance. I have no idea what you meant with the carbohydrate comment if you wouldn't mind explaining. Oh and thanks for the down vote, but this isn't reddit.
        TazeTSchnitzel 11y ago
        > Cute answer, but I, along with the entire non-toddler population, don't ingest toothpaste. You do ingest toothpaste, albeit only small amounts. Much like you ingest mouthwash, you just try to keep it to a minimum. > HN's propensity for "don't like it? Just buy this gadget/start your own company/move to Somalia"-style rhetoric also makes an appearance. What else can I suggest? In a democratic society that is your choice. You can fight to change the law, or you can work around it. > I have no idea what you meant with the carbohydrate comment if you wouldn't mind explaining. Since humans developed agriculture and started consuming large amounts of carbohydrates, they have experienced tooth decay. Fluoride is necessary to prevent it. > Oh and thanks for the down vote, but this isn't reddit. This discussion is completely off-topic and your comments are unhelpful. A downvote is justifiable.
        juliangregorian 11y ago
    - jessaustin 11y ago
      How would one determine that "fluoride alert" is any different than e.g. the anti-vaxxers?
      - thomas943 11y ago
        The peer reviewed studies were not created by that website. That page just lists the links to studies that were published in peer reviewed journals. I'm not sure how any of this relates to vaccines, since we are talking about fluoride. But anytime you want to know if something is true or not, the only way I know of is to dig deeper for more information.
        ensignavenger 11y ago
        Does the site list ALL studies regarding fluoride in water, or just hand select the ones that come to the 'right' conclusions?
        thomas943 11y ago
        No, you're going to have to do the legwork of going to one of the many other pro-fluoridation sites to read those studies. Then, depending on how interested you are in the truth, you'll have to weigh all of the findings, and even look into who produced the studies (follow the money). Welcome to the 21st century, where it usually takes some effort to find the truth in controversial issues. One thing to keep in mind while digging in, we know there is a financial incentive behind pro-fluoridation studies (it is expensive for business to dispose of it). As far as I know, there isn't much financial incentive in being against fluoridation, save for some boutique toothpaste brands that would probably lack the resources to conduct peer reviewed studies.
      - juliangregorian 11y ago
        I love that this is the state of public discourse even on hacker news. Just accuse something of being like anti-vax and the down votes follow. No critical thought required.
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    - cromulent 11y ago
      "Sola dosis facit venenum". The dose makes the poison. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_dose_makes_the_poison http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_dose_makes_the_poison Water fluoridation is at safe levels. Other fluoridation is not. Completely agree.

"Do you want to sell sugared water for the rest of your life?" - looks like Indra Nooyi doesn't.

by dubbel 11y ago

"Do you want to sell sugared water for the rest of your life?" - looks like Indra Nooyi doesn't.

They said healthier, not healthy. Most "healthier alternatives" are still "sugared water" they are just lower in sugar and higher in artificial flavorants than the typical sodas (Dr. P, Coca Cola, Pepsi, etc). Honestly I really want to see a push to lower acidity in drinks. They seriously should start putting that on the bottle and talking about it. Acid drinks are a major health crisis that nobody talks about.

jessaustin 11y ago
Acidity is bad for teeth, particularly in locations without fluoridated municipal water. Is acidity implicated in any other health problems?
- ch4s3 11y ago
  Maybe super indirectly heart disease, as tooth decay and gum disease are linked to heart disease... but that's a stretch.
- thomas943 11y ago
  I don't know about acidity, but fluoride has been implicated in many health problems. Here's a list of peer reviewed studies: http://fluoridealert.org/studytracker/?effect=&type=reviews&start_year=&end_year=&show=10&fulltext=&fantranslation= http://fluoridealert.org/studytracker/?effect=&type=reviews&...
  - jschwartzi 11y ago
    In spite of that, it's still nice to not have had any dental fillings or major dental work by the time I turn 30. This will be different from both of my parents. I think I'm happy to trade a minor increase in some other risks for the ability to eat without pain.
    - juliangregorian 11y ago
      Cool anecdote, but you know what would be even better? If we had a choice.
      - TazeTSchnitzel 11y ago
        You do have a choice. If fluoride scares you so much, stop brushing your teeth and buy a water filter. Oh, and eat a diet that has no carbohydrates in it.
        juliangregorian 11y ago
        Cute answer, but I, along with the entire non-toddler population, don't ingest toothpaste. HN's propensity for "don't like it? Just buy this gadget/start your own company/move to Somalia"-style rhetoric also makes an appearance. I have no idea what you meant with the carbohydrate comment if you wouldn't mind explaining. Oh and thanks for the down vote, but this isn't reddit.
        TazeTSchnitzel 11y ago
        > Cute answer, but I, along with the entire non-toddler population, don't ingest toothpaste. You do ingest toothpaste, albeit only small amounts. Much like you ingest mouthwash, you just try to keep it to a minimum. > HN's propensity for "don't like it? Just buy this gadget/start your own company/move to Somalia"-style rhetoric also makes an appearance. What else can I suggest? In a democratic society that is your choice. You can fight to change the law, or you can work around it. > I have no idea what you meant with the carbohydrate comment if you wouldn't mind explaining. Since humans developed agriculture and started consuming large amounts of carbohydrates, they have experienced tooth decay. Fluoride is necessary to prevent it. > Oh and thanks for the down vote, but this isn't reddit. This discussion is completely off-topic and your comments are unhelpful. A downvote is justifiable.
        juliangregorian 11y ago
  - jessaustin 11y ago
    How would one determine that "fluoride alert" is any different than e.g. the anti-vaxxers?
    - thomas943 11y ago
      The peer reviewed studies were not created by that website. That page just lists the links to studies that were published in peer reviewed journals. I'm not sure how any of this relates to vaccines, since we are talking about fluoride. But anytime you want to know if something is true or not, the only way I know of is to dig deeper for more information.
      - ensignavenger 11y ago
        Does the site list ALL studies regarding fluoride in water, or just hand select the ones that come to the 'right' conclusions?
        thomas943 11y ago
        No, you're going to have to do the legwork of going to one of the many other pro-fluoridation sites to read those studies. Then, depending on how interested you are in the truth, you'll have to weigh all of the findings, and even look into who produced the studies (follow the money). Welcome to the 21st century, where it usually takes some effort to find the truth in controversial issues. One thing to keep in mind while digging in, we know there is a financial incentive behind pro-fluoridation studies (it is expensive for business to dispose of it). As far as I know, there isn't much financial incentive in being against fluoridation, save for some boutique toothpaste brands that would probably lack the resources to conduct peer reviewed studies.
    - juliangregorian 11y ago
      I love that this is the state of public discourse even on hacker news. Just accuse something of being like anti-vax and the down votes follow. No critical thought required.
  - deleted 11y ago
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  - cromulent 11y ago
    "Sola dosis facit venenum". The dose makes the poison. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_dose_makes_the_poison http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_dose_makes_the_poison Water fluoridation is at safe levels. Other fluoridation is not. Completely agree.