3 ms·

Lack of solidarity, co-opted fronts, infiltration and neutralization of non co-opted organizations by economic interests and easy fractures among the economic c

Lack of solidarity, co-opted fronts, infiltration and neutralization of non co-opted organizations by economic interests and easy fractures among the economic class based on ethnicity/religion/arbitrary differences have historically been great ways at keeping a population from gaining a consciousness about their situation as a whole.

cies 11y ago
Wise words. I second every bit of what you just caused my browser to render on screen.
notahacker 11y ago
As has the historic tendency for the average citizen in countries run by plutocrats to enjoy substantially better standards of living, as well as a good deal more peace, than countries run by "class conscious" revolutionaries...
- task_queue 11y ago
  You're railing against a point I didn't make. You can have a "class consciousness" without pulling out the hyperbole and Stalin card. This consciousness is what afforded us civil rights, granted us a safe work place, an eight hour work day, labor rights and bought us social programs that keep people from dying in the streets. Somehow these "class conscious" revolutionaries didn't let society devolve into chaos. It's this consciousness that we need to remind ourselves and those with power of our worth. Otherwise, we'll continue to get fucked over. No one will offer to make us concessions that we never had the power to ask for. The majority of the third world and anyone who wasn't born into the right religion/race/family in the first world would like to have a word with your first point, though. I guess we shouldn't realize nor negotiate from our position in society since being run by plutocrats isn't so bad because you say so. Good plutocrats try to make sure their population has "just enough" that they don't rally in the streets with guns. Relying on the goodwill of these people is an absurd expectation.
- crdoconnor 11y ago
  >As has the historic tendency for the average citizen in countries run by plutocrats to enjoy substantially better standards of living This isn't true at all.

cies 11y ago

Wise words. I second every bit of what you just caused my browser to render on screen.

notahacker 11y ago

As has the historic tendency for the average citizen in countries run by plutocrats to enjoy substantially better standards of living, as well as a good deal more peace, than countries run by "class conscious" revolutionaries...

task_queue 11y ago
You're railing against a point I didn't make. You can have a "class consciousness" without pulling out the hyperbole and Stalin card. This consciousness is what afforded us civil rights, granted us a safe work place, an eight hour work day, labor rights and bought us social programs that keep people from dying in the streets. Somehow these "class conscious" revolutionaries didn't let society devolve into chaos. It's this consciousness that we need to remind ourselves and those with power of our worth. Otherwise, we'll continue to get fucked over. No one will offer to make us concessions that we never had the power to ask for. The majority of the third world and anyone who wasn't born into the right religion/race/family in the first world would like to have a word with your first point, though. I guess we shouldn't realize nor negotiate from our position in society since being run by plutocrats isn't so bad because you say so. Good plutocrats try to make sure their population has "just enough" that they don't rally in the streets with guns. Relying on the goodwill of these people is an absurd expectation.
crdoconnor 11y ago
>As has the historic tendency for the average citizen in countries run by plutocrats to enjoy substantially better standards of living This isn't true at all.