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I do not accept the given definition of race from this page, as it presumes the term "race" is in any way scientific or rigorously defined when in actuality it

by dimino 11y ago

I do not accept the given definition of race from this page, as it presumes the term "race" is in any way scientific or rigorously defined when in actuality it is not. What we "tend to call" race is not defined, despite this wiki page's attempt to do so.

crimsonalucard 11y ago
This wiki page is the reflection of the general opinions of the scientific community. You can redefine any word to have any definition that fits your universe, but when communicating with other people, we must go with general consensus.
- dimino 11y ago
  > This wiki page is the reflection of the general opinions of the scientific community. It isn't. The concept of "race" is not rigorously defined.
  - crimsonalucard 11y ago
    A word not having a rigorous definition does not make the concept non-existent among scientists. "Life" is not rigorously defined.
    - dimino 11y ago
      Life is very rigorously defined, however it's not unequivocal: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life#Definitions http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life#Definitions A word not having a rigorous definition means it cannot be discussed scientifically. Hence the actual problem of studying the existence of life, e.g. is a virus alive?
      - crimsonalucard 11y ago
        please note. Unequivocal and rigorous are synonyms. http://www.thesaurus.com/browse/unequivocal/4 http://www.thesaurus.com/browse/unequivocal/4 >A word not having a rigorous definition means it cannot be discussed scientifically. Life is discussed scientifically in many contexts yet it is not unequivocally or rigorously defined. In fact there's an entire field based on the study of life. It's called biology, aka the study of life. If a scientific field can stem from a word that does not have a rigorous or unequivocal definition, then it can be discussed scientifically.
        dimino 11y ago
        I'm getting tired of this conversation, so I'll just leave you with the idea that words carry different definitions in different contexts. There is no scientific context by which "race" is currently known. You can choose to accept that, or you can continue to deny that, it doesn't really matter to any of the folks who work in this field.
        crimsonalucard 11y ago
        @dimino I'm getting pretty tired too. You choose not to accept the facts even when a scientific description proving my point is thrown in your face. Ideas need evidence for support, you have presented me with ideas, but no evidence. The folks in the field are in agreement with me, (see the old wikipedia link I sent you). You got nothing, only empty claims.

by dimino 11y ago

crimsonalucard 11y ago

This wiki page is the reflection of the general opinions of the scientific community. You can redefine any word to have any definition that fits your universe, but when communicating with other people, we must go with general consensus.

dimino 11y ago
> This wiki page is the reflection of the general opinions of the scientific community. It isn't. The concept of "race" is not rigorously defined.
- crimsonalucard 11y ago
  A word not having a rigorous definition does not make the concept non-existent among scientists. "Life" is not rigorously defined.
  - dimino 11y ago
    Life is very rigorously defined, however it's not unequivocal: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life#Definitions http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life#Definitions A word not having a rigorous definition means it cannot be discussed scientifically. Hence the actual problem of studying the existence of life, e.g. is a virus alive?
    - crimsonalucard 11y ago
      please note. Unequivocal and rigorous are synonyms. http://www.thesaurus.com/browse/unequivocal/4 http://www.thesaurus.com/browse/unequivocal/4 >A word not having a rigorous definition means it cannot be discussed scientifically. Life is discussed scientifically in many contexts yet it is not unequivocally or rigorously defined. In fact there's an entire field based on the study of life. It's called biology, aka the study of life. If a scientific field can stem from a word that does not have a rigorous or unequivocal definition, then it can be discussed scientifically.
      - dimino 11y ago
        I'm getting tired of this conversation, so I'll just leave you with the idea that words carry different definitions in different contexts. There is no scientific context by which "race" is currently known. You can choose to accept that, or you can continue to deny that, it doesn't really matter to any of the folks who work in this field.
      - crimsonalucard 11y ago
        @dimino I'm getting pretty tired too. You choose not to accept the facts even when a scientific description proving my point is thrown in your face. Ideas need evidence for support, you have presented me with ideas, but no evidence. The folks in the field are in agreement with me, (see the old wikipedia link I sent you). You got nothing, only empty claims.