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My company (Freytag & Company, LLC), won a DARPA Phase I and Phase II STTR (just like a SBIR but 30% goes to a US univesity). Phase I was for <$100K/1 year (at
by rfreytag 17y ago
My company (Freytag & Company, LLC), won a DARPA Phase I and Phase II STTR (just like a SBIR but 30% goes to a US univesity). Phase I was for <$100K/1 year (at least 30% to a U.S. university so its $70K which has to in fact last you 18-24 months IF you win Phase II - YC-like if you ask me) and Phase II was competed with second-contract award a year after Phase I ended for < $750K/2 years (again 30% to university).
Topic DARPA ST061-004: ttp://tinyurl.com/yzuqxwh
This was our fourth SBIR/STTR proposal and only win. SBIR/STTR topics are very competitive (winning teaches you how so you are more likely to win again). This particular topic received ~30 submissions of which an unusually high number were awarded (3) Phase I money. Winning Phase I does not mean you win Phase II because of poor results or no Federal funds available. For this topic we also had two competitors for Phase II funding. You cannot win Phase II without first winning the Phase I.
The marketing, regulatory, and compliance process that comes with this money has been VC-pitching-intense but the advantages and cautions are very, very different. One advantage is that the Federal government pays in a recession. The catches are important and I found surprising (e.g it is non-trivial to negotiate a contract with a U.S. university under a deadline and to do so while complying with the Bayh-Dole Act). Also DoD SBIR/STTRs train you to become a government contractor (NSF might be different). Selling commercially is unusual but laudable - just don't expect people to be very familiar with what you need in the way a VC is "supposed" to be.
As a result of this process, my company (Freytag & Company, LLC), has products, enough money for one other employee, and huge experience going to the government market.
Since, our Phase II contract was "cost plus fixed fee" (most bigger government contracts are), and most costs are labor hours, regulatory compliance means tracking labor hours with contract codes. We passed our first Defense Contract Audit Agency (DCAA) audit just before we won our Phase II and are about to undergo another audit less than two years later. As a result we have probably one of the tightest accounting systems for a company this size you will ever see (and a damn fine accountant).
Because we took a lot of money and are doing something that might fail despite the money, we (well, -I-) decided to give our time-tracking tool away free. Figured it was a certain way to: 1. help the SBIR/STTR program grow our economy by 2. helping other firms immediately solve one part of their compliance problem - that of being able to track employee and contractor hours in the particular way the government expects.
If you need to track your labor hours over a distributed team of developers and would like to use a tool that has taken at least one firm through a government audit (and soon another - joy!) email me at timesheets@freytag.us. Please tell me who you are and what your problem is when you write.
- DenisM 17y agoSo... 3 winners out of 30 applicants, that's a 10% chance of winning, or $10k expected profit six months down the road. Suppose it takes 2 weeks to prepare... Can you spend 2 weeks in a different way to generate > $10k in extra money 6 months down the road? If the answer is yes you should probably stick with your other work.
- gojomo 17y agoWhere do you get the $10K figure? I tried to find a link to award amounts for the exact application linked, but could not. I did find another database of NSF awards from a superficially-similar link on that site: http://www.nsf.gov/awardsearch/progSearch.do?WT.si_n=ClickedAbstractsRecentAwards&WT.si_x=1&WT.si_cs=1&WT.z_pims_id=503361&SearchType=progSearch&page=2&QueryText=&ProgOrganization=IIP&ProgOfficer=&ProgEleCode=5371&BooleanElement=true&ProgRefCode=&BooleanRef=true&ProgProgram=&ProgFoaCode=&RestrictActive=on&Search=Search#results http://www.nsf.gov/awardsearch/progSearch.do?WT.si_n=Clicked... Looking at a few of the awards to software companies, they appeared to reach $150K.
- DenisM 17y agoIn this thread several people mentioned awards of $100k, given 10% probability of winning the mathematical expectation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expected_value http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expected_value) of the award is $10k. That is if you try 100 times you will win 10 times and get $100k each time you win, or $1m total, or $10k per attempt.
- rfreytag 17y agoI did say that 3 awards out of about 30 submissions was unusually high. There are always topics for which no awards are made. Many have only one award. 100 topics is about how many are in each list of SBIR/STTRs circulated on topics as diverse as new techniques in field medicine to better translation to new power storage mechanisms. It would require considerable technical range to propose to them all and succeed. You do not get to make up your own topics. They are posted by Program Managers working for the government. If you attempt to propose to more than one personally in an SBIR/STTR cycle you will lose. That is in part how my first two failed. I find it takes a considerable effort to put together a good AND short proposal. Then there is the catch that you must inform all agencies of similar proposals sent previously or at the same time to other agencies (so you can't win two with one proposal). Proposals are judged against your ability to execute upon award. The bottom line is that the odds are quite a bit lower than 10%. My advice is go read the solicitations and then get out and meet the program managers a'la Steve Blank. You will learn a lot and your proposal will benefit from it. It is a tough process but does seem to reward determination. One last word - keep yours, government contracting is a small town. I hope this helps you assess the risks and how you can reduce them. Best of luck!