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> You being in the role and expertise that you are... I didn't mean to imply that I have any inside knowledge of the hack - I'm basing my views on this from wh

> You being in the role and expertise that you are... I didn't mean to imply that I have any inside knowledge of the hack - I'm basing my views on this from what I've read in news outlets. I doubt I have any more knowledge on the subject than you. (Unless I'm misinterpreting sarcasm on your part) > China and the US hack each other for strategic purposes and that when China hacks the US it is not about dissidents. The Chinese intelligence services are going to focus on targets that will forward their own national goals. This will off course include strategic goals such as increasing economic and regional military influence, but don't discount their desire to maintain internal stability. They invest a significant amount of resources into controlling content on the internet and other media venues. In recent memory, their Great Firewall infrastructure was used to target dissidents hosting their materials within the US (which incensed the HN crowd with the whole Github DDOS). There's plenty of good reasons for China to target Google. They have every reason to distrust Google as the US government has to distrust Chinese tech companies, and there's bound to be a wealth of information on their servers useful for counter intelligence, economic, political and likely even military gain as well. I don't we'll ever know exactly what all of their reasons were for breaking in, but I don't think the theory that one of the primary motivations was targeting dissidents can be waved away as just spin.

themeekforgotpw 11y ago
Oh no I meant your area of professional expertise in the area of cyber security. I did not mean this particular hack. > wealth of information on their servers useful for counter intelligence, economic, political and likely even military gain as well Perhaps you could go further and tease out why a US company would have information on their servers useful for counter intelligence, political and likely even military gain - beyond of course the merely mundane trope of suggesting that the algorithms or IP are the reason. I'll take a stab, but I'd love to hear how your characterize it: It's because US tech companies, like other multinational corporations inside the US, partner with the US government which some times means intelligence or military sectors - either to provide products and services - to perform research or to fund research - or to offer capabilities as a de facto extension. The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act weaponized the US tech service sector to provide data and metadata for US intelligence efforts and for the targeting of foreign nationals. (Incidentally, it's true also that individuals located at Google hacked back into the Chinese C2Cs.) Chinese Intelligence is fully aware of FISA and the USG use of technology product and service backdoors. > I don't we'll ever know exactly what all of their reasons were for breaking in, but I don't think the theory that one of the primary motivations was targeting dissidents can be waved away as just spin. You really don't motivate why we should take the PR statement more seriously than the journalism. And references to 'I don't think we can ever be certain' is an appeal to uncertainty that isn't really there.
- csandreasen 11y ago
  > Perhaps you could go further and tease out why... I suggested it for much more mundane than you suggested: Google is likely to have valuable political, economic and political information because politicians, businessmen and service members have personal Google accounts, and employees are the weakest link in an organization's security. I don't think anyone's going to be sending out the designs for the next stealth fighter over Gmail, but plenty of people would be sending out innocuous documents, contact information, personal problems, etc. Intelligence services thrive on innocuous information in aggregate.
  - themeekforgotpw 11y ago
    Is it the case that FISA weaponizes US tech services as claimed above? Could you go on at length about the Snowden disclosures and how they and the FISA Court pertain to overseas national spying - and Google and other companyies' roles?

themeekforgotpw 11y ago

Oh no I meant your area of professional expertise in the area of cyber security. I did not mean this particular hack. > wealth of information on their servers useful for counter intelligence, economic, political and likely even military gain as well Perhaps you could go further and tease out why a US company would have information on their servers useful for counter intelligence, political and likely even military gain - beyond of course the merely mundane trope of suggesting that the algorithms or IP are the reason. I'll take a stab, but I'd love to hear how your characterize it: It's because US tech companies, like other multinational corporations inside the US, partner with the US government which some times means intelligence or military sectors - either to provide products and services - to perform research or to fund research - or to offer capabilities as a de facto extension. The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act weaponized the US tech service sector to provide data and metadata for US intelligence efforts and for the targeting of foreign nationals. (Incidentally, it's true also that individuals located at Google hacked back into the Chinese C2Cs.) Chinese Intelligence is fully aware of FISA and the USG use of technology product and service backdoors. > I don't we'll ever know exactly what all of their reasons were for breaking in, but I don't think the theory that one of the primary motivations was targeting dissidents can be waved away as just spin. You really don't motivate why we should take the PR statement more seriously than the journalism. And references to 'I don't think we can ever be certain' is an appeal to uncertainty that isn't really there.

csandreasen 11y ago
> Perhaps you could go further and tease out why... I suggested it for much more mundane than you suggested: Google is likely to have valuable political, economic and political information because politicians, businessmen and service members have personal Google accounts, and employees are the weakest link in an organization's security. I don't think anyone's going to be sending out the designs for the next stealth fighter over Gmail, but plenty of people would be sending out innocuous documents, contact information, personal problems, etc. Intelligence services thrive on innocuous information in aggregate.
- themeekforgotpw 11y ago
  Is it the case that FISA weaponizes US tech services as claimed above? Could you go on at length about the Snowden disclosures and how they and the FISA Court pertain to overseas national spying - and Google and other companyies' roles?