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I'm afraid this is heading the direction of 'let's define a backdoor'. What remains true is that China targeted a system built for the FBI to get unencrypted ac

by themeek 11y ago

I'm afraid this is heading the direction of 'let's define a backdoor'. What remains true is that China targeted a system built for the FBI to get unencrypted access to GMail systems and customer data that did not require 'front door' access. Many people here would call a service run for the FBI without oversight or a lengthy and transparent approval process with the requirement for a warrant a backdoor. We don't have to call it that if you don't like - I think the terminology is not so important for the point. I will leave the semantic discussion to whether such a system constituted a 'front door' or a 'back door' to folks who enjoy such deliberations. Ultimately I hope that readers see how hacking of 'side systems' built for intelligence agencies to make full data requests have been used to gain access to the larger systems they connect - in the spirit of the original thread.

magicalist 11y ago
> Many people here would call a service run for the FBI without oversight or a lengthy and transparent approval process with the requirement for a warrant a backdoor Er, what? No one would call it a front or back door. If someone gets root access to my machine and uses that to get access to data on my machine, that data was not the entry point. The phrase "without oversight or a lengthy and transparent approval process with the requirement for a warrant" shows what a red herring this is.
- themeekforgotpw 11y ago
  Right, but if there is a system to access your machine without your usual creds and that system gets hacked, that's backdoor access. You can say - the system for US intelligence is like 'another account' or a 'second root' and is known to Google and so it is not a backdoor - but is that really within the spirit of the discussion? If you didn't understand that this was a separate system with separate access data, specifically for law enforcement requests, then that should clear it up. If not we can go over semantics a ton but I don't like those games (everyone loses [time]).

by themeek 11y ago

magicalist 11y ago

> Many people here would call a service run for the FBI without oversight or a lengthy and transparent approval process with the requirement for a warrant a backdoor Er, what? No one would call it a front or back door. If someone gets root access to my machine and uses that to get access to data on my machine, that data was not the entry point. The phrase "without oversight or a lengthy and transparent approval process with the requirement for a warrant" shows what a red herring this is.

themeekforgotpw 11y ago
Right, but if there is a system to access your machine without your usual creds and that system gets hacked, that's backdoor access. You can say - the system for US intelligence is like 'another account' or a 'second root' and is known to Google and so it is not a backdoor - but is that really within the spirit of the discussion? If you didn't understand that this was a separate system with separate access data, specifically for law enforcement requests, then that should clear it up. If not we can go over semantics a ton but I don't like those games (everyone loses [time]).