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You seem to think this is something the US is unfamiliar with. The US has been one of the largest targets of attacks for a long time now. This is just the first

by chc 11y ago

You seem to think this is something the US is unfamiliar with. The US has been one of the largest targets of attacks for a long time now. This is just the first time the government itself has been attacked on such a large scale rather than private parties. (See http://map.ipviking.com/ http://map.ipviking.com/ if you want a live demonstration.)

coldtea 11y ago
>You seem to think this is something the US is unfamiliar with. The US has been one of the largest targets of attacks for a long time now. Or so they say -- to make the case for more budget and that they are "victims too" not just agressors. And of course to paint some provincial BS backwaters as "credible threats".
- chc 11y ago
  It seems both unrealistic and weirdly dismissive toward China to call them a "provincial backwater" and suggest they don't have computer experts capable of attacking US targets.
  - coldtea 11y ago
    They have some. And there's some stuff happening. So? China will do with it what exactly? US, for example, uses their data aggresively all the time to get leverage on trade agreements and diplomacy, including on its European "allies". China doesn't seem to do much of those kind of shenanigans, except with Asian countries, and certainly not to the US.
    - remarkEon 11y ago
      Basically nothing in your comment is factually accurate. Here's one example. Google more at your leisure. http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/05/indicted-chinas-army-hacked-into-us-companies-stole-trade-secrets/ http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/05/indicted-chinas-a...
yellowapple 11y ago
I find it interesting that the third-place attacker - behind only the United States and China - is currently the Netherlands.
- chc 11y ago
  IIRC the list of attackers isn't very stable other than China being #1, the US almost always being #2, and Russia usually being pretty high. Right now it's a close race for third between Bulgaria and Russia, and the Netherlands isn't launching any attacks.

by chc 11y ago

coldtea 11y ago

>You seem to think this is something the US is unfamiliar with. The US has been one of the largest targets of attacks for a long time now. Or so they say -- to make the case for more budget and that they are "victims too" not just agressors. And of course to paint some provincial BS backwaters as "credible threats".

chc 11y ago
It seems both unrealistic and weirdly dismissive toward China to call them a "provincial backwater" and suggest they don't have computer experts capable of attacking US targets.
- coldtea 11y ago
  They have some. And there's some stuff happening. So? China will do with it what exactly? US, for example, uses their data aggresively all the time to get leverage on trade agreements and diplomacy, including on its European "allies". China doesn't seem to do much of those kind of shenanigans, except with Asian countries, and certainly not to the US.
  - remarkEon 11y ago
    Basically nothing in your comment is factually accurate. Here's one example. Google more at your leisure. http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/05/indicted-chinas-army-hacked-into-us-companies-stole-trade-secrets/ http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/05/indicted-chinas-a...

yellowapple 11y ago

I find it interesting that the third-place attacker - behind only the United States and China - is currently the Netherlands.

chc 11y ago
IIRC the list of attackers isn't very stable other than China being #1, the US almost always being #2, and Russia usually being pretty high. Right now it's a close race for third between Bulgaria and Russia, and the Netherlands isn't launching any attacks.