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If you had a language model (say, trained on existing comments from Reddit), you could encode the data in the comments in English, and make the abuse a little m

If you had a language model (say, trained on existing comments from Reddit), you could encode the data in the comments in English, and make the abuse a little more subtle.

guidopallemans 11y ago
.. Much like how gfycat encodes their links eg.: - https://gfycat.com/JaggedIdealFrillneckedlizard https://gfycat.com/JaggedIdealFrillneckedlizard - https://gfycat.com/ThirstyAmbitiousBuzzard https://gfycat.com/ThirstyAmbitiousBuzzard - https://gfycat.com/AlertSpicyBlueandgoldmackaw https://gfycat.com/AlertSpicyBlueandgoldmackaw
- archagon 11y ago
  I wonder if there are any libraries that can do this? I was thinking of writing a password generator web-app that creates full diceware sentences (TheBlubberyPythonFloatedDownThePurpleFunicular == lots of entropy and easy to remember), but I'd need a decent language model for that. (And I don't feel motivated enough to write my own.)
  - dragontamer 11y ago
    Why not "Article Adjective Adjective Noun Adverb Verb Article Adjective Adjective Noun"? If you're making full sentences anyway, the grammar of the sentence doesn't need to change much. The vast majority of the entropy is already in the words themselves. Example sentence (generated by me, not a RNG): "the tiny hairy fish quickly paints a big scary monster". EDIT: With 10 words, each from the 252 most common words... sentences of this type would have an entropy of more than 10^24 or 2^80. I guess "articles" are pretty much "The" vs "A / An" however, so there really are only 8 words of note...
    - archagon 11y ago
      Well, one, I'd love a more general solution where I could just say "generate a sentence with n bits of entropy" and my algorithm would spin out a sentence of the correct (arbitrary) length. (Hmm... Markov chains?) Or maybe add other mnemonic modifications, like rhymes. And two, I still need an algorithm to conjugate verbs and whatnot, though I suppose that part could just be left to the user. (You get n diceware words — make your own sentence out of them.) But that's boring! In regards to word commonality, I'm pretty sure you could in fact use something like the 5000 most common words. The people who care about this kind of stuff tend to have large vocabularies!
      - daveid 11y ago
        I think Markov chains would be a bad idea for the use case of passwords because some words always follow certain words.
        archagon 11y ago
        Ah, true — I was thinking more along the lines of "part of speech" Markov chains, if that's even possible. (As in, just an endless stream of "article noun verb adjective noun adverb conjunction adjective noun verb adjective noun conjunction adjective etc." that could then be mad-libbed by diceware.)
        delluminatus 11y ago
        It is possible (and, I think, a rather clever idea). You could, for example, use a part-of-speech tagged corpus (a large collection of text where each word was tagged with its PoS by a grad student). Just train a Markov model on the parts of speech instead of the words themselves, and you would be able to generate English-like mad-libs.
    - gabemart 11y ago
      Sorry to double comment, but this is exactly how my hobby project hipku works http://hipku.gabrielmartin.net http://hipku.gabrielmartin.net
    - TazeTSchnitzel 11y ago
      To make it less obvious, have a few other kinds of sentence. But make those kinds clearly differentiated by length.
- TTPrograms 11y ago
  It would be cool if they biased the name generation with descriptions using some of the recent work in high quality machine image tagging. Throw in some ambiguous adjectives and you should have a large enough namespace that matches up with common image contents.
- gabemart 11y ago
  This is also how hipku stores ip addresses as haiku demo - http://hipku.gabrielmartin.net http://hipku.gabrielmartin.net explanation - http://gabrielmartin.net/projects/hipku/ http://gabrielmartin.net/projects/hipku/
  - malkia 11y ago
    No wonder why this is everywhere: The hungry white ape aches in the ancient canyon. Autumn colors crunch. https://www.google.com/search?q=%22%22The+hungry+white+ape+aches+in+the+ancient+canyon.+Autumn+colors+crunch.%22&oq=%22%22The+hungry+white+ape+aches+in+the+ancient+canyon.+Autumn+colors+crunch.%22&aqs=chrome..69i64j69i57.3103j0j9&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=122&ie=UTF-8#q=%22The+hungry+white+ape+aches+in+the+ancient+canyon.+Autumn+colors+crunch.%22 https://www.google.com/search?q=%22%22The+hungry+white+ape+a...
    - titaniumdecoy 11y ago
      According to the overview on the of hipku website, it uses only monosyllabic words, unlike this haiku.
      - gabemart 11y ago
        That's not entirely true - it only uses monosyllabic words for IPv6 addresses because there's no other way to fit enough bits into the right number of syllables. For IPv4 addresses, there's loads of space, so I can afford to use some longer words.
    - catmanjan 11y ago
      http://hipku.gabrielmartin.net/#127.0.0.1 http://hipku.gabrielmartin.net/#127.0.0.1 Confirmed for localhost
hhm 11y ago
See my other comment on this post for an example of this (encoding data using Markov chains)
goatslacker 11y ago
Reminds me of http://www.spammimic.com/encode.shtml http://www.spammimic.com/encode.shtml
bikeshack 11y ago
Wikipedia is full of hidden messages. A common pattern I have observed is the first letter of a sentence being used to string together a message. You can read more about this tactic here https://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Subliminal_Messages https://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Subliminal_Messages
- bikeshack 11y ago
  Also in 2010 there was a file storage system based on Bitly: https://nealpoole.com/blog/2010/12/bit-ly-file-storage-cleverness-and-chutzpah/ https://nealpoole.com/blog/2010/12/bit-ly-file-storage-cleve... Super clever idea, except for the part where Bitly now sprinkles links with affiliate codes to make $$$

If you had a language model (say, trained on existing comments from Reddit), you could encode the data in the comments in English, and make the abuse a little more subtle.

guidopallemans 11y ago

.. Much like how gfycat encodes their links eg.: - https://gfycat.com/JaggedIdealFrillneckedlizard https://gfycat.com/JaggedIdealFrillneckedlizard - https://gfycat.com/ThirstyAmbitiousBuzzard https://gfycat.com/ThirstyAmbitiousBuzzard - https://gfycat.com/AlertSpicyBlueandgoldmackaw https://gfycat.com/AlertSpicyBlueandgoldmackaw

archagon 11y ago
I wonder if there are any libraries that can do this? I was thinking of writing a password generator web-app that creates full diceware sentences (TheBlubberyPythonFloatedDownThePurpleFunicular == lots of entropy and easy to remember), but I'd need a decent language model for that. (And I don't feel motivated enough to write my own.)
- dragontamer 11y ago
  Why not "Article Adjective Adjective Noun Adverb Verb Article Adjective Adjective Noun"? If you're making full sentences anyway, the grammar of the sentence doesn't need to change much. The vast majority of the entropy is already in the words themselves. Example sentence (generated by me, not a RNG): "the tiny hairy fish quickly paints a big scary monster". EDIT: With 10 words, each from the 252 most common words... sentences of this type would have an entropy of more than 10^24 or 2^80. I guess "articles" are pretty much "The" vs "A / An" however, so there really are only 8 words of note...
  - archagon 11y ago
    Well, one, I'd love a more general solution where I could just say "generate a sentence with n bits of entropy" and my algorithm would spin out a sentence of the correct (arbitrary) length. (Hmm... Markov chains?) Or maybe add other mnemonic modifications, like rhymes. And two, I still need an algorithm to conjugate verbs and whatnot, though I suppose that part could just be left to the user. (You get n diceware words — make your own sentence out of them.) But that's boring! In regards to word commonality, I'm pretty sure you could in fact use something like the 5000 most common words. The people who care about this kind of stuff tend to have large vocabularies!
    - daveid 11y ago
      I think Markov chains would be a bad idea for the use case of passwords because some words always follow certain words.
      - archagon 11y ago
        Ah, true — I was thinking more along the lines of "part of speech" Markov chains, if that's even possible. (As in, just an endless stream of "article noun verb adjective noun adverb conjunction adjective noun verb adjective noun conjunction adjective etc." that could then be mad-libbed by diceware.)
        delluminatus 11y ago
        It is possible (and, I think, a rather clever idea). You could, for example, use a part-of-speech tagged corpus (a large collection of text where each word was tagged with its PoS by a grad student). Just train a Markov model on the parts of speech instead of the words themselves, and you would be able to generate English-like mad-libs.
  - gabemart 11y ago
    Sorry to double comment, but this is exactly how my hobby project hipku works http://hipku.gabrielmartin.net http://hipku.gabrielmartin.net
  - TazeTSchnitzel 11y ago
    To make it less obvious, have a few other kinds of sentence. But make those kinds clearly differentiated by length.
TTPrograms 11y ago
It would be cool if they biased the name generation with descriptions using some of the recent work in high quality machine image tagging. Throw in some ambiguous adjectives and you should have a large enough namespace that matches up with common image contents.
gabemart 11y ago
This is also how hipku stores ip addresses as haiku demo - http://hipku.gabrielmartin.net http://hipku.gabrielmartin.net explanation - http://gabrielmartin.net/projects/hipku/ http://gabrielmartin.net/projects/hipku/
- malkia 11y ago
  No wonder why this is everywhere: The hungry white ape aches in the ancient canyon. Autumn colors crunch. https://www.google.com/search?q=%22%22The+hungry+white+ape+aches+in+the+ancient+canyon.+Autumn+colors+crunch.%22&oq=%22%22The+hungry+white+ape+aches+in+the+ancient+canyon.+Autumn+colors+crunch.%22&aqs=chrome..69i64j69i57.3103j0j9&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=122&ie=UTF-8#q=%22The+hungry+white+ape+aches+in+the+ancient+canyon.+Autumn+colors+crunch.%22 https://www.google.com/search?q=%22%22The+hungry+white+ape+a...
  - titaniumdecoy 11y ago
    According to the overview on the of hipku website, it uses only monosyllabic words, unlike this haiku.
    - gabemart 11y ago
      That's not entirely true - it only uses monosyllabic words for IPv6 addresses because there's no other way to fit enough bits into the right number of syllables. For IPv4 addresses, there's loads of space, so I can afford to use some longer words.
  - catmanjan 11y ago
    http://hipku.gabrielmartin.net/#127.0.0.1 http://hipku.gabrielmartin.net/#127.0.0.1 Confirmed for localhost

hhm 11y ago

See my other comment on this post for an example of this (encoding data using Markov chains)

goatslacker 11y ago

Reminds me of http://www.spammimic.com/encode.shtml http://www.spammimic.com/encode.shtml

bikeshack 11y ago

Wikipedia is full of hidden messages. A common pattern I have observed is the first letter of a sentence being used to string together a message. You can read more about this tactic here https://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Subliminal_Messages https://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Subliminal_Messages

bikeshack 11y ago
Also in 2010 there was a file storage system based on Bitly: https://nealpoole.com/blog/2010/12/bit-ly-file-storage-cleverness-and-chutzpah/ https://nealpoole.com/blog/2010/12/bit-ly-file-storage-cleve... Super clever idea, except for the part where Bitly now sprinkles links with affiliate codes to make $$$