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Yes. And why not? That's the whole point of countries. Americans are discriminated against by India, so we discriminate against Indians. Same with the English,

by glesica 11y ago

Yes. And why not? That's the whole point of countries. Americans are discriminated against by India, so we discriminate against Indians. Same with the English, Canadians, Chinese, Finns, Malaysians, name a country. Is it a lovely, wonderful system? Absolutely not. But I'm sick of being told I have to love the H1-B program or I'm somehow racist. Here's what I would support: if another country wants its citizens to be able to work in the US, they can offer to let Americans work there. Every American who goes to work there means one person from there can come work here, free and clear, but the numbers have to stay in lock-step, the net delta can't be greater than one for a given year.

dennisgorelik 11y ago
> why not? Because unfair discrimination makes it worse for everyone involved: workers (cannot get jobs), employers (cannot hire qualified people), consumers (higher prices). > That's the whole point of countries. Of course not. Countries have their own legal system which could be good (competition between various legal systems), but there is no good reason to discriminate on the government level against foreigners. Even if other countries discriminate against Americans, the US would still benefit by NOT discriminating against citizens of these countries.
- glesica 11y ago
  > Even if other countries discriminate against Americans, the US would still benefit by NOT discriminating against citizens of these countries. Some Americans would benefit. Others would suffer because competition would be tougher. And of course no one wants a social safety net because that would reward laziness or some other awful protestant work ethic bullshit. If unlimited immigration came along with a robust social safety net (at least single-payer healthcare and a basic income guarantee) I would be right there with you.

by glesica 11y ago

dennisgorelik 11y ago

> why not? Because unfair discrimination makes it worse for everyone involved: workers (cannot get jobs), employers (cannot hire qualified people), consumers (higher prices). > That's the whole point of countries. Of course not. Countries have their own legal system which could be good (competition between various legal systems), but there is no good reason to discriminate on the government level against foreigners. Even if other countries discriminate against Americans, the US would still benefit by NOT discriminating against citizens of these countries.

glesica 11y ago
> Even if other countries discriminate against Americans, the US would still benefit by NOT discriminating against citizens of these countries. Some Americans would benefit. Others would suffer because competition would be tougher. And of course no one wants a social safety net because that would reward laziness or some other awful protestant work ethic bullshit. If unlimited immigration came along with a robust social safety net (at least single-payer healthcare and a basic income guarantee) I would be right there with you.