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I used to be a liberal. Then I realized that I cannot trust everyone who cries foul. I haven't turned conservative either. But I don't hold liberal views as cor

by NTDF9 11y ago

I used to be a liberal. Then I realized that I cannot trust everyone who cries foul. I haven't turned conservative either. But I don't hold liberal views as correct by default anymore. The problem with today's liberals is that they think political correctness is more important than factual data. Any rational argument requires dealing with cold hard facts, however brutal and hurtful they might be. There is no place for emotions in objective observation, exploration, research. For more info on this perspective watch this video: Why So Many Americans Don't Want Social Justice and Don't Trust Scientists https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b86dzTFJbkc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b86dzTFJbkc TL;DR: Political correctness...aka too many pussies in the real world.

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namlem 11y ago
It's crazy how far left liberalism has been pushed these past few years. Just as crazy as how far right conservatism has moved over the past couple decades. This extreme polarization is very worrying. It's not stable, and it's going to lead to serious problems.
- Balgair 11y ago
  Meh. It's always been there. It's just that the internet has allowed us to see it better. Also, this definition of 'far' left or right (at least here in the states) is not all that far, historically speaking. Far right would be a return to religious law, banning of contraception, a return to a theocracy, etc. There are countries like that, and we view them as nuts and places you dont want to live in. Far left would be a total communist state (I think) and we all know those are equally as bad. Yet, people do live, love, have families, die, fight for, and defend those countries. Something else must be going on, right? Again, there is a trap of viewing politics as a 1-D continuum. Granted this is better than a 1-D binary, but politics has as many dimensions as there are people, if not more. We all have opinions, or have the idea that our ideas are not important. What is most important is that we VOTE. If we think these people are too far right or left, the best way to do something about that is to VOTE and participate in your community. https://www.opencongress.org/people/zipcodelookup https://www.opencongress.org/people/zipcodelookup http://www.civiced.org/resources/curriculum/lesson-plans/456-how-can-citizens-participate http://www.civiced.org/resources/curriculum/lesson-plans/456... https://www.gop.com/get-involved/ https://www.gop.com/get-involved/ https://www.democrats.org/projects https://www.democrats.org/projects and many more.
norea-armozel 11y ago
So do you think calling Caitlyn Jenner by her current name is PC? How about pronouns for transgender individuals? What about gay couples who are married? Do you think it's okay to say they're not married? I ask these questions because the more I see people throw the term PC on such issues, it's really the person who's offended is the person who basically wants to be rude or otherwise anti-social.
- NTDF9 11y ago
  >> So do you think calling Caitlyn Jenner by her current name is PC? The expectation that every single individual knows everything about her history and should call her by her first name (instead of who she is best identified with...a transgender) is PC. In return, I'd ask you this. Why do you think I'm insulting her by calling her a transgender? I'm genuinely saying this in a respectful way. It is you who thinks that I am insulting her. You are the one at fault...I'm the genuine person here. I would in fact call a person asking me to be PC as being deceptive. You are the one totally ignoring that person's individuality. I, on the other hand, am fully accepting of her being a transgender....accepting her as an individual. Who's the one at fault?
  - dragonwriter 11y ago
    > I'd ask you this. Why do you think I'm insulting her by calling her a transgender? The use of adjectives like "transgender" as nouns to label people is fairly widely viewed as demeaning. > I'm genuinely saying this in a respectful way. Er, no. If you were saying it in a "respectful way", it wouldn't be followed by this: > You are the one at fault...I'm the genuine person here. Moving on, > I would in fact call a person asking me to be PC as being deceptive. No one has asked you to "be PC"; grandparent asked you several questions about what you considered to be PC, which you then responded to with several misrepresentations of what they asked. > Who's the one at fault? The one who is saying that someone else is "at fault" based on a number of things that were never actually said (leaving aside the question of whether or not, had they been said, they would have supported the assignment of fault.)
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by NTDF9 11y ago

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namlem 11y ago

It's crazy how far left liberalism has been pushed these past few years. Just as crazy as how far right conservatism has moved over the past couple decades. This extreme polarization is very worrying. It's not stable, and it's going to lead to serious problems.

Balgair 11y ago
Meh. It's always been there. It's just that the internet has allowed us to see it better. Also, this definition of 'far' left or right (at least here in the states) is not all that far, historically speaking. Far right would be a return to religious law, banning of contraception, a return to a theocracy, etc. There are countries like that, and we view them as nuts and places you dont want to live in. Far left would be a total communist state (I think) and we all know those are equally as bad. Yet, people do live, love, have families, die, fight for, and defend those countries. Something else must be going on, right? Again, there is a trap of viewing politics as a 1-D continuum. Granted this is better than a 1-D binary, but politics has as many dimensions as there are people, if not more. We all have opinions, or have the idea that our ideas are not important. What is most important is that we VOTE. If we think these people are too far right or left, the best way to do something about that is to VOTE and participate in your community. https://www.opencongress.org/people/zipcodelookup https://www.opencongress.org/people/zipcodelookup http://www.civiced.org/resources/curriculum/lesson-plans/456-how-can-citizens-participate http://www.civiced.org/resources/curriculum/lesson-plans/456... https://www.gop.com/get-involved/ https://www.gop.com/get-involved/ https://www.democrats.org/projects https://www.democrats.org/projects and many more.

norea-armozel 11y ago

So do you think calling Caitlyn Jenner by her current name is PC? How about pronouns for transgender individuals? What about gay couples who are married? Do you think it's okay to say they're not married? I ask these questions because the more I see people throw the term PC on such issues, it's really the person who's offended is the person who basically wants to be rude or otherwise anti-social.

NTDF9 11y ago
>> So do you think calling Caitlyn Jenner by her current name is PC? The expectation that every single individual knows everything about her history and should call her by her first name (instead of who she is best identified with...a transgender) is PC. In return, I'd ask you this. Why do you think I'm insulting her by calling her a transgender? I'm genuinely saying this in a respectful way. It is you who thinks that I am insulting her. You are the one at fault...I'm the genuine person here. I would in fact call a person asking me to be PC as being deceptive. You are the one totally ignoring that person's individuality. I, on the other hand, am fully accepting of her being a transgender....accepting her as an individual. Who's the one at fault?
- dragonwriter 11y ago
  > I'd ask you this. Why do you think I'm insulting her by calling her a transgender? The use of adjectives like "transgender" as nouns to label people is fairly widely viewed as demeaning. > I'm genuinely saying this in a respectful way. Er, no. If you were saying it in a "respectful way", it wouldn't be followed by this: > You are the one at fault...I'm the genuine person here. Moving on, > I would in fact call a person asking me to be PC as being deceptive. No one has asked you to "be PC"; grandparent asked you several questions about what you considered to be PC, which you then responded to with several misrepresentations of what they asked. > Who's the one at fault? The one who is saying that someone else is "at fault" based on a number of things that were never actually said (leaving aside the question of whether or not, had they been said, they would have supported the assignment of fault.)
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