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> 1. iMessage and FaceTime data is encrypted. That doesn't really mean anything though. Apple still can decrypt your iMessage data. Besides you don't actually
by blinkingled 11y ago
> 1. iMessage and FaceTime data is encrypted.
That doesn't really mean anything though. Apple still can decrypt your iMessage data. Besides you don't actually know - you are trusting Apple when they say they can't decrypt your messages. Given law enforcement situation that is most certainly false.
>2. Having my data and not letting anyone else benefit from it is 100x better than what most tech companies are doing. Also they don't have 'all' my data. They take what they need to improve my experience. Other companies hoover up everything they can because they need it to sell.
But Google isn't selling your data to anyone else either - the only parties benefiting from it are Google and you. Where is the proof that Google is selling your data to 3rd parties? Likewise you can give Google the data you feel like giving - no one is forcing anything on you.
>> "They are still, by default recording all your search queries on OS X."
>To improve the spotlight user experience. They're not selling my data and I can easily disable it.
This is getting tiring - how is this any different from what Google does? You seem to implying that because Apple makes money from hardware today they won't sell my data tomorrow. I gave specific examples on how that is not true and how that could not be true tomorrow. Problem is you are starting with a blind faith in Apple - once you do that everything starts to sound logical even without any facts to support! If you drop blind faith in either Apple or Google you'll see that it is all the same - Google isn't selling your data to 3rd parties as much as you would love to believe. They are just benefiting from it. And that _could_ change tomorrow. Same with Apple.
- k-mcgrady 11y ago>> "You seem to implying that because Apple makes money from hardware today they won't sell my data tomorrow." I'm not implying that. If they did decide to that tomorrow (which would be an incredibly stupid business decision) they would have much less data on me to sell than Google does one of their users simply because they aren't collecting EVERYTHING, only what they need now.
- stanleydrew 11y agoI think you should take a step back and realize that you're not arguing anything from a position of actual evidence. This has boiled down to a "Google collects more data than Apple" argument, which quite frankly is simply unknowable and makes for boring reading. The fact is, both companies collect data, both companies sell ads, and nothing one CEO or the other says in a speech changes that.
- blinkingled 11y ago> they would have much less data on me to sell than Google does one of their users simply because they aren't collecting EVERYTHING, only what they need now. Bold claim without supporting facts. They know what you are searching for (yes, yes only to improve your experience, but still), they have your credit card, if you use Apple Pay they know what you are buying and where, they can totally read your iCloud email, photos etc, they can track you at their stores using the bluetooth beacons or whatever, they know what music you search for and buy etc. What does Google know about you that Apple cannot if you are a hard core Apple ecosystem user? What can you stop Google from knowing about you if you are a Google user? If you add up everything - it's all the same!