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Fallout 4

43 points by jmcmahon443 11y ago

jmcmahon443 11y ago
I was impressed by the quality of the Fallout website that is up now as a teaser. I will include a permanent link to it eventually. You can see how clean the code is. They are clearly using a precompiler to group their js and css. This is how I think your website should look - in terms of code.
- forthefuture 11y ago
  I assumed the OP was sarcastic, but here I can't tell. The Fallout site, last I checked, had 17,000 lines of javascript code. It might be the worst written site I've ever seen.
FreakyT 11y ago
Their use of a preloader seems like an unpleasant throwback to the days of full-screen pages written in Flash...
- Cthulhu_ 11y ago
  Is that strange? Flash is out, HTML5 replaces it; you'll need the same amount of code (and assets) to get the same result as with Flash. I don't think there was anything specific to Flash that made it that much bigger than the same thing in modern web technologies.
VeejayRampay 11y ago
That website is really well made indeed, but it does break the back button.
jmkni 11y ago
Hm when I click on Continue it takes me to - http://fallout.bethsoft.com/null http://fallout.bethsoft.com/null Maybe still a couple of bugs!
- strictnein 11y ago
  Yeah, probably should be going to http://fallout4.com/ http://fallout4.com/
theandrewbailey 11y ago
I hope the game itself is good. I enjoyed 3 and New Vegas, and I'll probably pick this up on or near launch. The thing that's bothered me with Bethesda Softwork's games is that they are stubbornly single thread CPU bound, and don't scale beyond 2 cores that well. Perhaps the newer consoles will force them to multithread better.
- yAnonymous 11y ago
  That and they still have thousands of unfixed bugs years after release, including crashes and save game corruption. Bethesda are good at creating open worlds, but technically the games have been mostly subpar.
- obstinate 11y ago
  Why do you care whether the game uses more than one core. You'd need a truly ancient CPU for the game to demand more compute than a single core provides.
  - theandrewbailey 11y ago
    I expect that using a better GPU will improve framerates. There's not much improvement that can be had with a CPU bound game when you're using a high end CPU to begin with. Next year's GPUs will be much faster comparatively to today's, then next year's CPUs.
angersock 11y ago
One wonders if it's going to be idTech5, or if it's going to be the final gasps of the Gamebryo engine.
- wtetzner 11y ago
  I'd assume they're using the Creation engine they built for Skyrim.
- MrTortoise 11y ago
  looks like idtech in the vid. Hope they have kept working on it since rage. I'd perhaps argue even that idtech 5 is behind the times compared to things like unreal 4.
  - angersock 11y ago
    Well, from a tech standpoint, id pretty much rolled their own whenever given the chance--Epic was more than happy just to buy middleware and slap it onto their tech. There's also a different focus: Epic put a lot of work into making their engine accessible and well-tooled to other parties (though at times it didn't seem like it). Id? Not so much.
  - stupidcar 11y ago
    Looks a lot like the Creation Engine from Skyrim to me. It looks good, but not as much of a leap graphically as I maybe expected given the shift in console generations. Hopefully that means they've concentrated their efforts on improving other areas like physics and quests.
- theandrewbailey 11y ago
  I doubt it. John Carmack said[0]: > "The megatexture direction [in id Tech 5] has some big wins, but it's also fairly restrictive on certain types of games," he said. "It would be a completely unacceptable engine to do [Bethesda's Elder Scrolls V:] Skyrim in, where you've got the whole world, walking across these huge areas." [0]: http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/35125/E3_ids_Carmack_Willits_Happy_To_Be_Done_With_Engine_Licensing_.php http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/35125/E3_ids_Carmack_Will... Granted, Elder Scrolls and Fallout are very different, but they aren't something that id would have done.
UserRights 11y ago
All I can see is the gear turning around, nothing else happens. It is not fair to present a site in such a premature test stage to the public and title it ironically as "really well". This site will be certainly really good after some professional designers will have worked on that prototype, so why exposing it while still in this early state?
- jmkni 11y ago
  I have a browser add-on which forces everything over SSL where possible, and it breaks some websites, including this one. Incognito mode works for me.
  - Xylemon 11y ago
    Could you or someone provide a screenshot? I can't get the website to load.
    - Rifu 11y ago
      Here is a direct link to the trailer[0] and the preorder page[1] [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GE2BkLqMef4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GE2BkLqMef4 [1] http://fallout4.com/ http://fallout4.com/
- sandyarmstrong 11y ago
  uBlock broke it for me. Disabling that, when I clicked continue I ended up at the null site like others. Not entirely sure what we're supposed to be looking at.
- mcdougle 11y ago
  Ghostery caused the same problem for me. Pausing it fixed the problem. Others have said ad blockers do the same for them.
- faizmokhtar 11y ago
  same goes for me. Even when I've disable the adblock, it just redirect me to the /null page.
edwinjm 11y ago
I hope it's meant ironic. It's just a movie and a link pointing to a non existing page which contains an image...
solidgumby 11y ago
There is no way to easily change the (location based) automatically selected language. Right, I might be in Spain right now, but I want the english trailer...
rrss1122 11y ago
Ack, having an auto-play video does not make for a good website in my opinion!
Tloewald 11y ago
I sure hope the dog is playable!
nickysielicki 11y ago
Meta comment: I really dislike that this is on my HN frontpage. If you're sharing/upvoting this because you think the web design is cool (or in this case, decidedely awful), then that's cool with me. This site is god awful. It required me to unblacklist 6 domains to merely load, and that's especially terrible because it ended up becoming just a wrapper for a youtube video. I wish web designers would stop assuming I want to run their javascript. Clearly there's some HN-relevant discussion to be had from this post. I will say that if you're sharing it as an example of a terrible or great site, I wish that posters would indicate it in the title or in a comment. Because as it stands right now, my gut reaction is that was shared because you're a fan of the video game, and that makes it advertising. Now, I don't mind people advertising their own things on HN, I love to see what people are making. What I don't enjoy is seeing people plug multi-million dollar funded AAA games. Probably the biggest reason I don't visit reddit anymore is because there is far too much native advertising. It makes me weary of give anyone the benefit of the doubt.
- markbnj 11y ago
  >> If you're sharing/upvoting this because you think the web design is cool (or in this case, decidedely awful), then that's cool with me. I think it's safe to assume that people are sharing it and upvoting it because they are Fallout fans who have been waiting for some word on the 4th title in the series. The website is sorta... well absolutely... not the point. I guess we all can't wait for the chance to open thousands of containers full of useless loot. I know I can't!
- stestagg 11y ago
  The flood of negativity in this post made me sad for a bit, then I thought of kittens, and I was happy again
- jasonlotito 11y ago
  > I wish that posters would indicate it in the title or in a comment. A search for the username provide the context in seconds. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9652604 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9652604 > I really dislike that this is on my HN frontpage. "Please don't submit comments complaining that a submission is inappropriate for the site." > Probably the biggest reason I don't visit reddit anymore is because there is far too much native advertising. Welcome, but please keep in mind the guidelines and take a few minutes to fact check yourself before making assumptions, and you'll do fine here.
jmh42 11y ago
Trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GE2BkLqMef4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GE2BkLqMef4
Kiro 11y ago
The Vault jumpsuit doesn't look saggy. The number one thing that prevented me from playing Fallout 3. Hooray!
M8 11y ago
Ok, since HN is turning into Reddit: Fallout 2 > Fallout 3 :)

43 points by jmcmahon443 11y ago

I was impressed by the quality of the Fallout website that is up now as a teaser. I will include a permanent link to it eventually. You can see how clean the code is. They are clearly using a precompiler to group their js and css. This is how I think your website should look - in terms of code.

forthefuture 11y ago
I assumed the OP was sarcastic, but here I can't tell. The Fallout site, last I checked, had 17,000 lines of javascript code. It might be the worst written site I've ever seen.

FreakyT 11y ago

Their use of a preloader seems like an unpleasant throwback to the days of full-screen pages written in Flash...

Cthulhu_ 11y ago
Is that strange? Flash is out, HTML5 replaces it; you'll need the same amount of code (and assets) to get the same result as with Flash. I don't think there was anything specific to Flash that made it that much bigger than the same thing in modern web technologies.

VeejayRampay 11y ago

That website is really well made indeed, but it does break the back button.

jmkni 11y ago

Hm when I click on Continue it takes me to - http://fallout.bethsoft.com/null http://fallout.bethsoft.com/null Maybe still a couple of bugs!

strictnein 11y ago
Yeah, probably should be going to http://fallout4.com/ http://fallout4.com/

theandrewbailey 11y ago

I hope the game itself is good. I enjoyed 3 and New Vegas, and I'll probably pick this up on or near launch. The thing that's bothered me with Bethesda Softwork's games is that they are stubbornly single thread CPU bound, and don't scale beyond 2 cores that well. Perhaps the newer consoles will force them to multithread better.

yAnonymous 11y ago
That and they still have thousands of unfixed bugs years after release, including crashes and save game corruption. Bethesda are good at creating open worlds, but technically the games have been mostly subpar.
obstinate 11y ago
Why do you care whether the game uses more than one core. You'd need a truly ancient CPU for the game to demand more compute than a single core provides.
- theandrewbailey 11y ago
  I expect that using a better GPU will improve framerates. There's not much improvement that can be had with a CPU bound game when you're using a high end CPU to begin with. Next year's GPUs will be much faster comparatively to today's, then next year's CPUs.

angersock 11y ago

One wonders if it's going to be idTech5, or if it's going to be the final gasps of the Gamebryo engine.

wtetzner 11y ago
I'd assume they're using the Creation engine they built for Skyrim.
MrTortoise 11y ago
looks like idtech in the vid. Hope they have kept working on it since rage. I'd perhaps argue even that idtech 5 is behind the times compared to things like unreal 4.
- angersock 11y ago
  Well, from a tech standpoint, id pretty much rolled their own whenever given the chance--Epic was more than happy just to buy middleware and slap it onto their tech. There's also a different focus: Epic put a lot of work into making their engine accessible and well-tooled to other parties (though at times it didn't seem like it). Id? Not so much.
- stupidcar 11y ago
  Looks a lot like the Creation Engine from Skyrim to me. It looks good, but not as much of a leap graphically as I maybe expected given the shift in console generations. Hopefully that means they've concentrated their efforts on improving other areas like physics and quests.
theandrewbailey 11y ago
I doubt it. John Carmack said[0]: > "The megatexture direction [in id Tech 5] has some big wins, but it's also fairly restrictive on certain types of games," he said. "It would be a completely unacceptable engine to do [Bethesda's Elder Scrolls V:] Skyrim in, where you've got the whole world, walking across these huge areas." [0]: http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/35125/E3_ids_Carmack_Willits_Happy_To_Be_Done_With_Engine_Licensing_.php http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/35125/E3_ids_Carmack_Will... Granted, Elder Scrolls and Fallout are very different, but they aren't something that id would have done.

UserRights 11y ago

All I can see is the gear turning around, nothing else happens. It is not fair to present a site in such a premature test stage to the public and title it ironically as "really well". This site will be certainly really good after some professional designers will have worked on that prototype, so why exposing it while still in this early state?

jmkni 11y ago
I have a browser add-on which forces everything over SSL where possible, and it breaks some websites, including this one. Incognito mode works for me.
- Xylemon 11y ago
  Could you or someone provide a screenshot? I can't get the website to load.
  - Rifu 11y ago
    Here is a direct link to the trailer[0] and the preorder page[1] [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GE2BkLqMef4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GE2BkLqMef4 [1] http://fallout4.com/ http://fallout4.com/
sandyarmstrong 11y ago
uBlock broke it for me. Disabling that, when I clicked continue I ended up at the null site like others. Not entirely sure what we're supposed to be looking at.
mcdougle 11y ago
Ghostery caused the same problem for me. Pausing it fixed the problem. Others have said ad blockers do the same for them.
faizmokhtar 11y ago
same goes for me. Even when I've disable the adblock, it just redirect me to the /null page.

edwinjm 11y ago

I hope it's meant ironic. It's just a movie and a link pointing to a non existing page which contains an image...

solidgumby 11y ago

There is no way to easily change the (location based) automatically selected language. Right, I might be in Spain right now, but I want the english trailer...

rrss1122 11y ago

Ack, having an auto-play video does not make for a good website in my opinion!

Tloewald 11y ago

I sure hope the dog is playable!

nickysielicki 11y ago

Meta comment: I really dislike that this is on my HN frontpage. If you're sharing/upvoting this because you think the web design is cool (or in this case, decidedely awful), then that's cool with me. This site is god awful. It required me to unblacklist 6 domains to merely load, and that's especially terrible because it ended up becoming just a wrapper for a youtube video. I wish web designers would stop assuming I want to run their javascript. Clearly there's some HN-relevant discussion to be had from this post. I will say that if you're sharing it as an example of a terrible or great site, I wish that posters would indicate it in the title or in a comment. Because as it stands right now, my gut reaction is that was shared because you're a fan of the video game, and that makes it advertising. Now, I don't mind people advertising their own things on HN, I love to see what people are making. What I don't enjoy is seeing people plug multi-million dollar funded AAA games. Probably the biggest reason I don't visit reddit anymore is because there is far too much native advertising. It makes me weary of give anyone the benefit of the doubt.

markbnj 11y ago
>> If you're sharing/upvoting this because you think the web design is cool (or in this case, decidedely awful), then that's cool with me. I think it's safe to assume that people are sharing it and upvoting it because they are Fallout fans who have been waiting for some word on the 4th title in the series. The website is sorta... well absolutely... not the point. I guess we all can't wait for the chance to open thousands of containers full of useless loot. I know I can't!
stestagg 11y ago
The flood of negativity in this post made me sad for a bit, then I thought of kittens, and I was happy again
jasonlotito 11y ago
> I wish that posters would indicate it in the title or in a comment. A search for the username provide the context in seconds. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9652604 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9652604 > I really dislike that this is on my HN frontpage. "Please don't submit comments complaining that a submission is inappropriate for the site." > Probably the biggest reason I don't visit reddit anymore is because there is far too much native advertising. Welcome, but please keep in mind the guidelines and take a few minutes to fact check yourself before making assumptions, and you'll do fine here.

jmh42 11y ago

Trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GE2BkLqMef4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GE2BkLqMef4

Kiro 11y ago

The Vault jumpsuit doesn't look saggy. The number one thing that prevented me from playing Fallout 3. Hooray!

M8 11y ago

Ok, since HN is turning into Reddit: Fallout 2 > Fallout 3 :)