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In addition to the comments already here, I think this comes down to trust. Which companies do you trust? Which CEOs do you trust? Eric Schmidt: "If You Have S

by plg 11y ago

In addition to the comments already here, I think this comes down to trust. Which companies do you trust? Which CEOs do you trust? Eric Schmidt: "If You Have Something You Don't Want Anyone To Know, Maybe You Shouldn't Be Doing It." [1] Mark Zuckerburg: "They trust me — dumb fucks." [2] Tim Cook: "I’m speaking to you from Silicon Valley, where some of the most prominent and successful companies have built their businesses by lulling their customers into complacency about their personal information,” said Cook. “They’re gobbling up everything they can learn about you and trying to monetize it. We think that’s wrong. And it’s not the kind of company that Apple wants to be." [3] Tim Cook: "Our business is based on selling products, not on having information about you. You are not our product." [4] Tim Cook: "We take a very different view of this than a lot of other companies have. Our view is, when we design a new service, we try not to collect data" [5] [1] https://youtu.be/A6e7wfDHzew https://youtu.be/A6e7wfDHzew [2] http://gawker.com/5636765/facebook-ceo-admits-to-calling-users-dumb-fucks http://gawker.com/5636765/facebook-ceo-admits-to-calling-use... [3] http://techcrunch.com/2015/06/02/apples-tim-cook-delivers-blistering-speech-on-encryption-privacy/#.vzsjmx:6p7v http://techcrunch.com/2015/06/02/apples-tim-cook-delivers-bl... [4] http://www.macrumors.com/2014/09/15/tim-cook-on-privacy/ http://www.macrumors.com/2014/09/15/tim-cook-on-privacy/ [5] http://techcrunch.com/2014/09/15/tim-cook-holds-firm-on-imessage-security-its-encrypted-we-dont-have-a-key/ http://techcrunch.com/2014/09/15/tim-cook-holds-firm-on-imes...

sp332 11y ago
Currently Mozilla is the only Internet company that I trust not to sell me out. And I'm keeping an eye on them as they develop the new New Tab, which will feature advertising.
- htormey 11y ago
  I know Mozilla are a non profit but doesn't most of their funding come from google (I.e advertising) for promoting their search product?
  - sp332 11y ago
    They switched to Yahoo (over HTTPS, honoring "Do Not Track" if you enable it) last year. https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2014/11/19/promoting-choice-and-innovation-on-the-web/ https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2014/11/19/promoting-choice-an... And yes, as far as I know, most of their income is royalties from these deals.
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minthd 11y ago
Words are cheap. Trust is gained by actions.
- bengali3 11y ago
  and lost by acquisitions and should be reconsidered after leadership changes.
  - loceng 11y ago
    Which is why open source and data portability is so important.
ctb_mg 11y ago
Why the title case on Eric Schmidt's quote? Serious question. Can't watch the linked youtube video right now.
Oletros 11y ago
Schimdt quote is taken out of context and it is not the whole quote.
- snom320 11y ago
  Even with the context, it's pretty bad. And it's not like his other quotes on privacy paint a better picture.
  - Oletros 11y ago
    Wuth the context [0], it is a warning about privacy, the contrary meaning of the partial quote that is always used [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9655523 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9655523
    - mc808 11y ago
      In context, the most charitable interpretation I can give is that he's saying you shouldn't trust anyone (not even Google) with data you want to keep private. A less charitable interpretation is to replace "not even Google" with "especially not Google", as they're not just retaining incidental personal data but actively harvesting as much as possible.
magicalist 11y ago
Actually I trust Schmidt more after that particular quote because he was warning about the Patriot Act before pretty much anyone but privacy advocates cared: > "People are treating Google like their most trusted friend. Should they be?" > "I think judgment matters. If you have something that you don’t want anyone to know, maybe you shouldn’t be doing it in the first place. But if you really need that kind of privacy, the reality is that search engines, including Google, do retain this information for some time. And it’s important, for example, that we are all subject in the United States to the Patriot Act. It is possible that information could be made available to the authorities." But as I said below, that never got play back then, so we get the incomplete quote everywhere. It took Edward Snowden to make the tech blogs finally change narrative. Also I'm not sure how an obviously poor sampling of quotes demonstrates much of anything. Even if you were doing some squishy sentiment analysis your study would still be thrown out for poor coverage.

by plg 11y ago

sp332 11y ago

Currently Mozilla is the only Internet company that I trust not to sell me out. And I'm keeping an eye on them as they develop the new New Tab, which will feature advertising.

htormey 11y ago
I know Mozilla are a non profit but doesn't most of their funding come from google (I.e advertising) for promoting their search product?
- sp332 11y ago
  They switched to Yahoo (over HTTPS, honoring "Do Not Track" if you enable it) last year. https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2014/11/19/promoting-choice-and-innovation-on-the-web/ https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2014/11/19/promoting-choice-an... And yes, as far as I know, most of their income is royalties from these deals.

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minthd 11y ago

Words are cheap. Trust is gained by actions.

bengali3 11y ago
and lost by acquisitions and should be reconsidered after leadership changes.
- loceng 11y ago
  Which is why open source and data portability is so important.

ctb_mg 11y ago

Why the title case on Eric Schmidt's quote? Serious question. Can't watch the linked youtube video right now.

Oletros 11y ago

Schimdt quote is taken out of context and it is not the whole quote.

snom320 11y ago
Even with the context, it's pretty bad. And it's not like his other quotes on privacy paint a better picture.
- Oletros 11y ago
  Wuth the context [0], it is a warning about privacy, the contrary meaning of the partial quote that is always used [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9655523 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9655523
  - mc808 11y ago
    In context, the most charitable interpretation I can give is that he's saying you shouldn't trust anyone (not even Google) with data you want to keep private. A less charitable interpretation is to replace "not even Google" with "especially not Google", as they're not just retaining incidental personal data but actively harvesting as much as possible.

magicalist 11y ago

Actually I trust Schmidt more after that particular quote because he was warning about the Patriot Act before pretty much anyone but privacy advocates cared: > "People are treating Google like their most trusted friend. Should they be?" > "I think judgment matters. If you have something that you don’t want anyone to know, maybe you shouldn’t be doing it in the first place. But if you really need that kind of privacy, the reality is that search engines, including Google, do retain this information for some time. And it’s important, for example, that we are all subject in the United States to the Patriot Act. It is possible that information could be made available to the authorities." But as I said below, that never got play back then, so we get the incomplete quote everywhere. It took Edward Snowden to make the tech blogs finally change narrative. Also I'm not sure how an obviously poor sampling of quotes demonstrates much of anything. Even if you were doing some squishy sentiment analysis your study would still be thrown out for poor coverage.